If they are going to be realistic might as well take out the armors that show skin, and make it if you get hit in the head with a sword you either 1.

Become a vegeta - ble
or die instantly.

Why are people arguing against it? surely the more weapon types the better right? i mean, if you don't care for spears then you don't really need to use them. I'd never use a butter knife as a weapon, but if it was added i wouldn't complain.

As I said, even realism has limitations - and there's no locational damage in the game.

But as I said elsewhere, spears need to work differently than the close-distance melee weapons. They should have very different strengths and weaknesses. Frankly, they shouldn't even be considered melee weapons, they should be their own category. Bows, melee weapons, and spears. Bows work at range, spears work at close range, melee weapons work when the bad guy is right in your face.

Who's arguing against it?

yea but you keep talking about realism, this is NOT a realistic game. its a FANTASY game.

your totally right about spears being useless in close combat, but so is duel wielding ( unless you trained in swords from the age of 5, trained with the use of two swords at 13 untill you were 32 )
and duel wielding two small pointy daggers against a fully metal armored character with the point of your dagger looking like it would snap it if touched your opponent.


As for the video of spears in gamejam, i would not wan't them to look like that. Im with you on the no Ninja BS

If a butter knife was I weapon I would most certainly complain..because taking time to put a butter knife in the game could have been spent working on various bugs in the game..just sayin

Perhaps my choice of words were wrong or have i misunderstood the thread? i was referring to the OP and the thread it's self. I don't see why anyone would not want them added. Like i said, if you don't like them don't use them.

This is Bethesda, bug fixes come after their game is released.

Yes, but not everything in fantasy is fantastical. Magic is fantastical, so rules of realism don't apply - except that fire should burn, etc. Magical fire lights the oil in dungeons, and so forth, but otherwise magic just follows its own internal logic.

But swords and spears and armor and the like do exist, so it's reasonable to ask for some degree of realism. Not perfect realism, but some.


Not necessarily. There's a skill to it, and you probably won't be doing it with two longswords, like they do in the game, but there were even large daggers specifically designed to be used with the off hand for parrying. It was more a 17th century thing, I think, but it was real.


Well, frankly I dont think that should even be feasible in the game. It's one thing to sneak and backstab an armored guy in the neck; it's another thing entirely to fight a guy toe-to-toe when he's decked out in steel plate and swinging a warhammer at you, and you're wearing clothes and carrying two daggers.



Yeah, if they wanna make spears their own skill with its own perk tree, and have that kinda [censored] unlocked when the skill gets up in the nineties, fine. At that skill level you're a legendary hero, not a run-of-the-mill adventurer that might suffer a career-ending arrow to the knee at any moment, so if they wanna do the more unrealistic, ninja [censored] with spears at that point, fine.

But not when they're level 10 and have a spear skill of 20. Then the spear should need to be complemented with a melee weapon and a bow.

But the OP isn't arguing against them, he's just asking why people have acted like the lack of spears is a moral travesty that is worse than murder. Adding spears is fine; if they don't, I won't have an aneurysm.

I lol when I read talk of realism in games where you can cast spells and cause an endless whirlwind of spells for free. Honestly imo, it wouldn't even be that bad of a thing for spears to be included into Skyrim. Skyrim is about being able to play the kind of person you want to play, and its not like you're really required to use them (I myself stay away from 2-handeds, maces and axes). Who knows? Maybe if there is enough requesting for them, Bethesda may do something favorable (then again many people want a FFVII remake, but look how thats going...)

to me the only thing lacking from skyrim is diversity in weapons and armor. i mean you have a mace why not put in a morning star? you could add spears, crossbows etc then people could really fit their play style so much better. like someone said earlier it ends up basically everyone having the same armor,weapons(roughly) every warrior trying to get daedra armor, daedric sword etc i think maybe they should add more unique armors and weapons that cannot be crafted or anything but are hand placed in hard to reach areas of the game to make exploring more worthwhile IMO

this is my opinion to, it would give people a even more greater reason to explore.

Let's see why:


Spears offer a new way of combat. It gives you the ability to engage opponents from a longer range than any other weapon. It also allows non-archers to have a one use throwable weapon in the heat of battle. As a drawback, it's not that fast, about great sword speed, and can't do very good damage close up.

Benefit: Does a lot of damage when using power attacks and you can reach ranges twice that of a regular sword. Gives you an option for a new type of combat. That's always good.

http://static.msxbox-world.com/assets/screenshots/20216/mw_w_argonian-31122010.jpg it was the preferred http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b148/ActionDragon/Morrowind/Argonian.jpg weapon.

Also spears would add a new playstyle with the very long reach. The only problem is the need to add the weapons and animations, backwards movement speed isn't fast anymore like in previous games.

It seems like developing all of the mechanics for another classification of weapon type (spears) would be a lot of work and I doubt we'll see such a thing come to pass from Bethesda. I think the sheer length of a spear might also have been a consideration for not having it be in the game. Think of all those narrow, cave tunnels in Skyrim. The spear fighting animations would probably be going through a lot of walls and hitting various objects in the game all the time. However, as a purely ranged weapon I could see something like that happening. Something that did more damage than an arrow and was fully recoverable. I wouldn't mind that at all.

The only reason why I would like spears back is because Argonians looked cool wielding them. Other than that I don't really care if they actually make a comeback or not.

i think there is a 1000 things i care about before spears appearing in the game

And I say thank God that it isn't. That's the dumbest thing ever - to be able to run backwards stabbing at things, too fast for him to catch up and hit you with a sword. It's just dumb. People talk about all this "kiting" business and want to run around too fast for people to catch up and hit them with a sword - it's just ridiculous. Ditto with bows - you can't run backwards shooting a bow at somebody.

I await the usual and inevitable reply...

Actually, I do that with the bow all the time. Good stamina for sprinting + stagger perk.

The kiting spear was the middleground between the agile ranger and the swordsman. It was perfectly valid within the context of the gameplay. It's a fantasy-action-adventure game. It should be designed in that regard first before whether or not a weightless 300 pound suit of demon armor is realistic.

Now the real question is: How to balance that when previously the playstyle was only available to the player? IE how does the player deal with AI spear ninjas?
Marksman AI is [censored]. They let you close distance. Proper spearman AI, you'd have to use a bit of magic and shouts.

Because it was yet another thing taken away from us from previous TES games.

If Skyrim had provided spears these sorts of threads would be about the lack of crossbows or throwing axes. Providing something like that would just shift the complaints on to something else not eliminate them.

Alot of people liked using spears in the older ES games, makes sense that they wanted them in Skyrim. Makes sense that they were disappointed to find spears where not in the game. Makes no sense why they got so angry, as if God had stopped by each and every one of their homes and promised them spears.

Hell maybe God did promise them spears and that's why they are upset. Though they should be more upset at God then Bethesda.
But honestly I have no idea why people are mad, Some people just can't be happy.

Seconded. They are fun and have a long reach which is good for holding your foes at bay.

Wy no speerz? Jk