You're right, that is and alwatys has been the key to success. Focus only on what you're good at and pretend you have no weaknesses. That's what winners do.

That would make too much sense.

I wouldn't consider adding a weapon a weakness or something worthy to complain about.

i too miss the sheep. fluffy little cannon fodder.... but crossbows sound neither better or worse than bows. no point whining about it till we actually get our hands on some. and probably no point even then.

Ah your one of those glass half empty types.

No, I'm one of those "Hey, this glass isn't completely full. Let's put more [censored] in it" types who isn't eager to line up to give game developers blowies every time they make a half decent game because I like the idea of things being better and more awesome somewhere down the line.

I guess I just don't understand the mentality of "hey, this doesn't COMPLETELY svck. Let's celebrate the fact that it has good graphics and is mostly functional. THIS IS THE BEST THAT EVER IS OR COULD BE!"

what you did there, i see it.

Woah woah! I think someone needs to take a nap. I agree there are some things wrong in Skyrim, but why complain about something they are adding in the game is all im saying. Your a very sensitive being on this subject I can tell. Hug?

The thing is a lot of new players were drawn in by Skyrim. Many people that have never played a TES game all flocked to Skyrim and that is many of the people you see here today. Though there are those of us who are loyal to TES and have played every single one we're all getting older and are now the minority.

That's not stupid. That's progress. And people end up getting more passionate and agressive BECAUSE of people who praise even the turds that developers produce when they go potty. If people actually appreciated the game and if we could all get together after a release and say "oh boy, this game is a lot of fun, but hey, what can be done to make it EVEN BETTER?!" then everything would be good. But instead you have people who crowd around developers and invest their lives in defending every single action the developers ever do and make it seem like everything they do is perfect and nothing could or should be done differently. This is what generates hate because, since that simply isn't true, it annoys people to put up with such naivity and, in some cases, stupidity. People become very vocal and agressive to make absolute sure that the developers aren't sitting there thinking "oh, we've done an absolutely amazing job. This is now the new bar at which the standard of perfection sits. Everything we make from this point onward has to be no better than this."

This is the evil of [censored]. People who cannot think for themselves and have to give their free time to make sure someone who gets paid to do a job is showered with compliments no matter how many mistakes they make.

LMAO. Yes. I'm sensitive. The thought of me being sensitive and how much more fun my job would be in that situation is absolutely hilarious and terrifying.

Yea i understand seeing as I'm kinda the same way with other games(halo for instance). I'm going to try to play Morrowind one day when i get a good computer, hopefully the combat doesn't make me rage.

Are you saying that I haven't played other TES games? Because I have played since morrowind and I agree that they needed to change some things about Skyrim. But its not doing anyone any good to sit around on the forums and mope about it? Like someone said before, constructive criticism is always a good thing but complaining is not the way.

I don't think you understand what I mean though. If we ask for something from bethesda and we finally get it why would we complain about the very thing we wanted back? How long have we complained for crossbows, then when we finally get crossbows we complain that the game is getting crossbows? It doesn't make any sense at all, we are just giving bethesda mixed messages so they don't know what we want.

Who's moping? The words "whine" and "complain" are thrown around far too often. It's just a way of trying to goad someone into stopping the point that they're trying to make out of fear that others are perceiving them as whiny. Creating a demand for something that has been lacking in the development of the last few games is constructive, regardless of how it's presented (some ways are more effective than others). Coming into a thread and telling people to stop being constructive (which is what you're doing, just in a way that makes you feel superior), is absolutely not constructive.


I figured since you were quoting me you were talking to me. That's what I didn't understand. I'm not complaining that crossbows are being put in the game. I'm glad they are. I'm saying their absence from the past 2 games has been laziness on the part of the developers. And Bethesda doesn't care what we want, they care about money. They're a business. When what we want correlates to profits, that's the only time we are satisfied by their development. As shown from the transition from Morrowind to Oblivion to Skyrim.

The combat is quite different from Skyrm and Oblivion but its definately worth a play through. Also Morrowind takes maybe 1/4 of the computing power of Skyrim (I can still run it on this POS laptop I have with 20-30 mods including Better Bodies and Better Looking Morrowind)


No no no you misunderstand me I'm just saying we are a dying breed especially with all the kids out here that flocked to Skyrim. I, in no way condone this petty complaining but most of it is due to the new comers of the series that don't know how much it has changed since the beginning. Morrowind was a highly unpolished game but in itself one of the greatest RPGs ever created (especially with the unofficial patches and mods)


^THIS^
Couldn't have said it any better than that.

I agree.

Your just taking this whole situation a little too far my friend, in reality the devs have no obligation to you or me and could stop the series if they wanted to. So you should be grateful that they even continue TES and be happy about what you get.

I still say Morrowind despite all its bugs and flaws (easily remedied by the unofficial patches) is Bethesdas crowning jewel and the reason we are playing Skyrim today.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. This attitude is so stupid. No, they don't have any obligation to us, but that doesn't mean I'm supposed to be grateful to them. That would be if they were doing this for free, but it's their job to make something that I want to buy, and I'm spending the money that I work 12 hours a day to have it. So if I have something to say about it or a desire to express for the future, I'm damn well going to put it out there. I'm not gonna get all butt hurt if they don't listen, but I also might not spend the money to play their next game. Not that an individual sale matters in the grand scheme of things, but no one is unique and where something will stop me from buying the game, it will for at least a hundred others. I'm sorry, but I don't choose to live in blissful ignorance like you do. The money I spend has to be earned. And I have no problems cutting off the money I put in towards any one developer for doing stupid things.



If Daggerfall could be patched to eliminate all the terrible terrible game breaking bugs and to make all of the mechanics work the way they're supposed to, then Daggerfall would be better than Morrowind. As it stands, in its relatively unpatched state, Daggerfall is near unplayable, and the insane frustration that goes with trying to play it for an extended period of time is the only reason that Morrowind is my favorite game.

No i get what you mean and i agree that we should always keep Bethesda on their toes. The day we stop asking for the game to get better is the day it turns into...umm *cough* a certain fish *cough*. I just think getting crossbows is such a huge win for us we should be nothing but happy about it.

Then dont buy the next game like you stated problem solved!

Thats all I was saying, be happy for crossbowness!

Edited for the overabundance of political correctness and protection of "feelings" on these forums.

No, you were actually saying that we should stop complaining, period, and talk only about good things.

Sorry if my being a happy person offends you, I guess ill just leave you to your dark corner then.

You can always look for an unofficial patch (I'm sure theres one out there from the Daggerfall Loyalists out there) The only reason I can still play Morrowind is because of Unofficial patches like I said Morrowind was never really a polished game and still Vanilla Morrowind is one of the buggiest games I've ever played without the Morrowind loyalists out there that kept the game from being completely broken.


I agree we should celebrate this victory (I am already ^.^ Beta Testing ftw) Hopefully they (Bethesda) continue to look out for their loyal fans that have been around through out the many many (and most of the time very buggy) games. But really with games like they make you can't expect them to be 100% bug free or without haters. I accept Behesda for all they have done for us as a community bugs and all (though some may be a PITA or gamebreaking) It wouldn't be a Bethesda game without the bugs. I think loyalists know this and its also why the community makes unofficial patches to remedy many of these problems.