No.

I agree though, it just stinks of "holding off the content to re-sell crap for even more money", but they don't dare to release only the crossbows after the horse armor embarrassment with Oblivion, so they thought of this whole vampire clan and Van Helsing thing just to sell us the damn crossbows. Just you wait, next DLC will have a whole story about how all the mer of Tamriel are just the servants of Santa and a huge questline they'll make will just be a huge cover to sell us the spears!

Jokes aside, the whole thing does stink of holding off the content. Unfortunately I'm too much of a fan boy not to want it, but since the DLC is not an expansion it'll only be available via internet so I won't be able to buy it anyway.

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I don't care if you're happy. It's when you start trying to shove your care bear philosophies on everyone by interjecting into discussions with absolutely nothing to contribute that you become a nusance. I wouldn't be surprised if you still live at home.

Well, they really svck at it then It's been seven months since release and they've not released any content that costs something. Whereas some developers sell a day one DLC that has half if not all of the files included in the game disc

I contributed to the fact that complaining gets you nowhere. And I liked the five year old insult at the end there very mature of you. Im not going to stoop to your level and fight with someone on a bethesda forum but I thank you for your opinions and ill be sure to file them away safe.

There will be a GOTY/Ultimate/Complete Edition of the game eventually there always is for a TES game. Though you may have to wait until next year or so. Also it is technically an expansion (\Shivering Isles was basically a whole other game ... I don't think anything that Bethesda can do will ever live up to Shivering Isles)

Skyrim was rushed, if they spent a few more months on this game rather than releasing it on 11/11/11 (facepalm), the game would've been much better.

I've come to expect bugs in a Bethesda game with the large amount of content not everything can be perfect. They had a pretty stable release model so they let it go. (BTW Bethesda didn't set the release date their parent company Zenimax did)

I personally don't have many issues with the game I've had it installed to my 360 since day one and have a 13 MB save file and it still runs pretty smoothly with very few bugs other than general ones (see http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1384978-followers-bows/) Compared to Morrowind, Oblivion, FO3, and FO:NV releases Skyrim is the least buggy game to date released by Bethesda & Zenimax.

Yeah it has nothing to do with 'people stopped using them'.

They weren't written out of lore, they just didn't exist in the games.


Mounted combat didn't exist in the last 2 TES games.

Does that mean that nobody ever rode a horse and fought ever? No.

Hm ok Expansion might have been a wrong term from my side, I was referring to launching a boxed version in stores vs. selling content exclusively via internet. Which brings the fact that it was never like this with TES since this is the 1st time they are actively releasing DLCs (except the mentioned horse armor and maybe some other for Oblivion, and that was/those were not the part of the GOTY Oblivion afaik, or am I wrong?). But you're right, this probably will get in the GOTY.

Nevertheless, I already bought boxed version of Skyrim, so I'll think twice about buying the GOTY version, depending on what all will there be in it.

I would hope it would be the 3 dlc that are going to come out within the next year and I doubt the retail of it will be another $60 usually the GOTY/Complete/ultimate all sell for about $40 (i.e. Borderlands, Dragon Age Origins, I think Oblivion did as well (it had all the other DLC including the bases and horse armor on the second disc you just had to install to your HDD for Xbox) and many others dropped the $60 in favor for the $40 price tag since they were all out for about a year or two before the GOTY/complete/ultimate edition came out)

Wow really? In Croatia the game alone was on a heavy discount (when I say heavy, I say 100 [censored] dollars when it came out, I crap you not, and only around $60 around the time they started to sell the GOTY), but GOTY version was the same price as any other new PC game (actually it was a bit more than $80, average games are less, Skyrim was $60).

Damn, if only I had a good PC then, I wouldn't waste my money on the damn Vanilla+KoTN version for ps3. Need to find a way of buying it, for SI if for nothing else.

Yea KoTN is pretty meh. It's alright but so short and pretty much no content after you beat it. SI on the other hand is pure bliss! Also a city in Shivering Isles named Bliss!

Oh there was, the ultimate constant reminder of what a piece of trash I am, and useless set of armor I couldn't wear for the rest of the playthrough.

If you truly need a justification, think that in Skyrim people don't like sophisticated weapons and prefer bows. You can draw a parallel with medioeval Europe where crossbows (despite being known at least since the roman empire) where seen as a coward's weapon because it could be readied and fired at an unsuspecting victim. This was the reason why only mercenary armies used them in the open (heavy siege weapons were something different). Cutting their strings was usually a sign of surrender or 'I'm outta here' so that mercenaries were spared the gruesome punishment usually reserved to archers and, later, musketeers which had their right hand cut off.

It's no wonder why ranged weapons of all kinds where despised by knights or people who always viewed wars as a lame excused for showing off a man's honor and prowess.

From what I saw in the trailer cross bows seem to be statistically superior. I mean look how fast it reloaded. That didn't seem slow to me. Maybe they had the 30% speed increase perk though. And Todd says they have a chance to stagger, and we know all archery perks will work with them. So the base stagger of the cross bow would logically stack with the stagger shot perk. Seems OP to me. Or at least gimp like dualcasting stagger.

1: It's game
2: If you're worried about "immersion" and "realism" then...mods.

If I didn't have to sign an NDA I would tell you all about the crossbow right now but unfortunately I cannot. I can say it's a neat alternative to the bow but I still prefer my fully upgraded Daedric.

Well. As we all know. Bethesda is dumping Lore for Money. Sooner or later they will take out other weapons possibly even armor types *light or heavy*, but i agree, also .. i have another complain. Spears .. where the hell are they?

Could it have been done better? Perhaps.

But you're forgetting cultural differences as well.
Perhaps the Imperials simply don't utilize crossbows? I mean the British used to utilize long bows, and iirc the Chinese found crossbows to be superior. So yeah, there WERE cultural preferences.

Frankly wouldn't be surprised if all armors and weapons were governed by one skill/perk tree in TES 6 Then again, the perk trees for light and heavy armor and one and two handed weapons are practically the same in Skyrim already.

Crossbows are slower to load and probably harder to make.

the real question is , Why not

And since we have never encountered either of the two groups in the DLC before, maybe crossbows are just something one of them invented. No one complained about curved swords, or the swords the Blades use being different, why complain if the Dawnguard or some other group or race we have yet to see have their own unique weapons.

I doubt that would happen though I still wish they would have gone with Sword, Axe, Blunt rather than 1-hand & 2-hand but you have to think from a dev team perspective ... They wanted to make the game more accessible to the masses ergo make the game even more simplified than Oblivion. That's why they chose the way they did it. I just hope in the next game they keep things similar to Skyrim but more diversified like Oblivion and more importantly Morrowind. Now that they have the steam back after how successful Skyrim has been I just hope to god they don't simplify it even further. Otherwise Bethesda just lost a very loyal customer that has bought 2 of most of their games & add-ons/expansions.



Crossbows WERE NOT invented by the either faction they were in a previous TES game and all Dwemer Spheres have crossbows.
Like I said earlier in this thread ... The reason crossbows were reintroduced is because they are the weapon of choice of many vampire hunters of lore. (i.e. Van Hellsing)

Spears were also in Morrowind as well as a few other neglected item/weapon types. This is the reason so many people are frustrated.

Unfortunately for your argument, this bit is wrong. Crossbows are not better than bows, they are different. They have much more power than a standard bow, and are more accurate in the hands of less-trained people. But they are heavier, take a long time to reload (far longer in RL than in-game) and are more prone to mechanical failure. The make good weapons for people who work in groups (some can be reloading while others are firing) and for people working from behind cover (duck and reload). But for individuals out in a wilderness true bows are much better weapons. But Beth cheats and gives them short reload times (but to be fair, down-powers them as well), otherwise no-one with any sense would use them.