How can you be offended that consumers who bought a broken product they can't return are complaining?

Very interesting read though.

i'm not console hater or troll or etc . i don't like playing with consoles b'cuz they don't have Mouse and keyboard they don't have configs for graphics they dont work well with monitors and it's not a good option to play console with monitor and etc .
and one thing , games on consoles are 10$ more . and for xbox 360 you have to pay for Xbox live , you can't manualy config your internet otions for decreasing ping time and etc .
i prefer PC b'cuz it's better option for me and i have grown up with it .

Doom isn't on hiatus - dcdeacon

.... BF3 is one week away

And to the topic creator, I prefer having my games on my PC.
I find the console inconvenient, like I have no control and I greatly prefer my mouse and keyboard.

In fact, I feel I wasted the money I spent on an Xbox as I rarely use it.

well, I don't care what you say because there were many people who already said the same over 15 years at least. but did PC die? look. PC is basic platform to develop both console and PC game. you think that console game is developed by console machine? without PC, there is no development. comparing to console users, percentage of PC gamers in the world easily overwhelm console percentage. nowadays, many people own powerful PCs as well. it's not that much expensive than you think. recently, console market revenue has started to decline. people in business can't make more money than before. plus, I can't stand console graphic. the most important thing is that you can't carry it whenever you want to play. it's not mobile. but when you have laptop, you can play games whenever you want. it's my point. I take a business trip more than 3-4 months every year. I need very decent mobility to work with every task including gaming. that's why I own gaming laptop which provides me high expectation on work, and gaming. I love mine. future gaming trend slowly transfers to mobile based device but powerful, reliable, easy to carry. I am not talking some [censored] lame ipad, DS game. PC will never die.

As with everything, the haters are loudest. For every person whining in public about anything, there are usually dozens of people who are quiet because they're content. That includes PC gamers, so I don't think anyone's rep is being ruined, and future games are not in jeopardy. The majority knows it's not trash, and they speak more with their wallets instead of their keyboards.

I strongly disagree. PC gaming will probably never die. There are http://worthplaying.com/article/2011/2/28/news/80096/ that have speculations that PC gaming is on the rise.

Towards id you're right! But other dev's have not made the same mistakes id has. I'm a longtime id fan but id has been very shady the last few years towards the PC community and not because some gamers whine. I don't know why they would let the industry they innovated crumble like it has. The aesthetics that made Quake 3 what it was does not exist with them anymore and that's what propelled them. It's not that the fans don't care, it's more like id doesn't care, and they make no bones about it. id is not the same developer as they used to be. I'm sad by that statement but it's true. I think they can be if they wanted to and Rage shows that they can, but look at what 'id' has done to the fanbase. They have broken the elements so far down that fans are obviously confused at their direction, and I really think id loves that.

I myself love Rage and have not had any issues whatsoever on a fairly old system.

My 2 cent reply:

I'm 36 and I've been playing games a bit longer than you, while the whole time being an avid id fan.

First of all, the issues were not (really) driver related - I have NOT upgraded my Rage version (I'm still running on I believe it's build 6283 vs. 8129 or something) and after devastating the CFG files and making a couple minor adjustments to driver settings, the game looks almost amazing, except for the awful textures you find about 30% of the time, nothing to do about that I know, it's the game, some of it just looks like it's out of "Commander Keen", and hey, that's life - it removes you from the game (suspension of disbelief), but for the MOST part it looks amazing.

The problem was not "fixed in a day", and honestly I don't think the real "problem" has yet been fixed - they had a "hot fix" that solved some of the issues for some people about 5 days after launch,... honestly that's pretty good, but generally speaking it was not a "solves all" from "the next day".

PC gamers spend THOUSANDS of dollars on our toys, we spend 2, 3, or 4 times as much on our graphics cards alone more than an entire console costs(much like car buffs spend on nitro, superchargers, exhaust, tires, or John Carmack spends on ROCKETS to SHOOT INTO SPACE)... we are "BUFFS" who love our craft, and we spend money to have a GOOD product so you're damn right we get hissy when we expect something good and get a console port... would you buy a porsche to drive down a 50 foot alley, back and forth to work?

And to disagree with your last point, this is NOT why console's are the future, it is not complaining, it is not elaborate blogs on 'nerds who love their computers', it comes down to 3 little letters . . L C D

lol that's rubbish, people need to give up with the "PC gaming cost ￡400 - ￡1000 per year just to play games" talk, you only say that to make yourself feel better. I brought my PC in 2007 and the only thing I've updated is the OS from Vista to 7.

Here is the spec:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/N-If8tzsTKg2BJhs5PtSUA?feat=directlink

And some random in-game pics/vids:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108020815922534003668/Videos?authuser=0&feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/108020815922534003668/Images?authuser=0&feat=directlink

Basically if you buy the right stuff, your PC will last for years and always remain better than any console out there.

You conveniently fail to point out that there's far more wrong with Rage than the driver issues at launch. The engine it was made with itself is a big part of it's lack of reception on PC. The Megatexture concept is one purely of making the process of conceptual art transfer, developing, and multi platform porting cheap and easy for them, nothing more. Now they're paying for it with last minute bandaid solutions like these detail textures they're now talking about, after basically lying about the HD textures not improving visuals much. It's more the case that offering a 50GB HD Texture Pack would have been a logistics nightmare.

In order for you to make assessments about why PC gamers are upset about this title, you first have to understand the technical details of the issue, because clearly they are more knowledgeable about them than you give them credit for. Many of them have spent a fair bit of money on PC gaming hardware and pre-ordering highly anticipated titles like this. They've also been around the block enough times with PC games to know it sometimes takes driver fixes. For you to say the driver issue was the main reason PC players got upset about Rage is quite misleading and naive though.

Content wise, Rage is repetitious via reuse of maps, and has a very underwhelming beginning and ending. There's nothing about this title to justify it having taken 5 yrs to make. Much of that time was probably spent with Carmack trying to convince everyone involved with the project that Megatextures are great for gaming. I imagine a lot of them don't think so well of Carmack at this point, can't say I blame them. Nothing worse than a self appointed "genius" at the helm dragging the ship down with him.

I too like another poster am an ex-PC gamer.

I still occasionally game on PC, I build a PC recently about a year ago too try and get back into PC gaming or at least see what it has to offer nowadays. And honestly, it's more of a headache, between driver and software issues...I have come to the conclusion it's not really worth it. The console community may be more ignorant in my experience. But the PC community is shrinking extremely fast, there soon be only the hardcoe enthusiast's left. I can see why after you spend tons of money to build a system that only lasts 2 maybe 3 years until you have to replace at least the video card. Not to mention the fact that older games never work properly with newer OSes.

Console games always work. There's no hardware or software issues, if something doesn't work properly then it will be patched before release. I've never had a game not work on console. Consoles also get a lot of games that PC doesn't. The few PC games I want too play nowadays are usually strategy games and those aren't to demanding, and indie games like Minecraft, which can run and just about any machine.

Give me a keyboard and mouse and I would play more console games...PC gaming isn't going anywhere but i do think it can be a great opportunity for those willing to commit to it...AAA titles will become more and more like the movie business which is sad, because to compete with the big boys it takes an army of artist, game and level designers. There might be a retro movement but the AAA titles will always garner more eyeballs and sales because of the gee wow factor...what Game companies like Id needs to do is hire more top game designer talent... They nailed a lot if things in RAGE but also whiffed on some as well. The tech might have been to far ahead if it's time because the overall size really dictated what RAge ultimately became...a good ending would have covered up so many of these wholes but now risks jeopardizing the whole franchise. I also think Id dripped the ball a bit they made a fantastic engine to fast in a way to appease enthusiast PC gamers you have to add gimmick graphic things so they can flex their machines, I think it's a bit silly but I do get that people get enjoyment from it...same as people building muscle cars. That is why games like far cry which I dint even call a game was the ultimate benchmark game during it's hey day and crisis is no diff and the new one will be BF3...not because its the best engine but it has latest graphical features...

I agree, I could live with the limitations MOST assume we PC players avoid consoles for. Having to use a slow [censored] toggle to aim with is just unacceptable to me though. There are a fair number of console exclusives I would consider buying a console for to play if it weren't for that alone. The Uncharted series for one.

Yea I rather play solely on Linux than be forced to buy a console.-

So PC gaming is dead.... I hope not
I have a PS3 but can't play games on it as well as i can on a PC with a mouse and keyboard
as after a motorcycle crash 15 years ago I have no feeling in my left thumb and forefinger so using a joy pad is out the window for me
but the PC keeps me in there
so when I buy a new game that's been raved about for so long and all i get is screen stuttering graphic and tearing well to say i'm pissed is an under statement.
this game should never off been sold in the state it is in
and I still can't play the dam thing now with the up date patch, new video drivers and file fixes :banghead:
hope they sort it soon or it's up on eBay for it.

read my previous post, I'm using an 8800 ultra from 2007 and can play most games today bar crysis 1 on max settings and the witcher 2.

plenty of websites where you can get old games working (http://www.gog.com/), using emulators... infact most of the consoles can be emulated on the PC. If you struggle with these basic things, no wonder you moved to console gaming!

Ive always thought this would be the case, as PC's become cheaper and more powerful and also alot smaller... apparantly 2014 PC game sales will overtake console sales:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/nvidia_claims_pc_gaming_sales_will_overtake_consoles_2014_-hardware_already_10x_more_powerful
http://news.softpedia.com/news/PC-Game-Sales-To-Overtake-Console-Sales-by-2014-Nvidia-Believes-223716.shtml

I'm 64 years old. I've been playing video games since Pong came out. I've tried consoles but have always gone back to the PC. The PC is a better all around platform for playing video games. Granted there are always problems with drivers when games a first released. When I received Rage it was not playable. First thing I did was remove the ATI video card and installed an old Nvidia card. From then on the game has played beautifully. I doubt very much if PC gaming is going away. The PC, being much more versatile, is going to be around for a while.

Semper Fi

alot of people cry about this and that when they should just recognize the gift.



pc gaming is Taking over.


my pc is ten times faster than any console.


the only thing coming to an end is the current generation of consoles.


regards


Sean

Theoretically, the only console we'd need in the future is the OnLive console.

It's not so much that I "struggle" with those basic things. If I wanted to solve hardware or software conflicts I would work in IT, but I don't, I want to play a game.

I do realize that it is possible to run games on old OSes, but the problem I have with sites like GoG is that you pay $5-$10 for a game that in some cases, you already own. And I've had issues with emulators too, sometimes the games work other times they don't. As I stated, I don't feel like solving software/hardware conflicts when consoles don't have these issues.

My main issue with PC gaming is consistency. I too can run Crysis on max settings and I have a Radeon 5570 accompanied by a AMD quad running at 3.2GHZ, and I've had very few if any hiccups. But when I play a game like Homefront, then I have trouble. That game on max settings has so many frame rate issues, so many slow downs, it's absolutely ridiculous. But on console it has no such issue like that. The recommended specs. are almost never close to those that can run it on max.

The bottom line is, consoles never have software or hardware conflicts. As soon as I put in the disc, I know it will work with no problems and I know it will be consistent. On consoles I have found the experience to be seamless.

Don't get why people think PC gaming is dead, and the stupid argument that it costs so much to play on PC is so wrong it makes me laugh at people who says this.
Games are much cheaper, I could not have bought 1/5 of the games i have bought for PC if i went with consoles. And a friend of mine is still maxing games out with an 4 year old gforce 8800gt, and games look much better than their console version.
The argument that computers have to be upgraded each year is so untrue, yes if you want to have maxed out graphics at crazy resolutions with 16x AA then you have to shell out big bucks.
But if you want to get the same graphics quality as an Xbox you can get a computer for the same price as a console, atleast in my country, and here it is usualy very expensive compared to most places.

And lets see what games is coming out for the PC.
Battlefield 3, stated by Dice that it is a PC first. And it shows on all the footage how amazing it looks compared to consoles.
Batman Arkham City, an improved version is coming for PC in november with enhanced graphics.
Skyrim, mostly a console port yes, but stated by Bethesda that it will have better graphics (of course)
Diablo 3, so far a pc exclusive. atleast a PC first title.
Starcraft 2 expansion, also PC exclusive
WoW expansion, the game just have 10 million + subs.
Star Wars The old Republic, another online game that looks great, and apperantly have more pre orders than Battlefield 3, which is reported to have over 2 mill pre orders.
The Witcher 2, already released i know, but until next year it is a amazing PC exclusive game.

And more games are coming for PC, so just because a developer has forsaken their roots and gone over to focus on consoles, does not mean that PC gaming is going to die out.
I know i will be a PC gamer first and Console gamer second, because it is actually cheaper in the long run, and even bad ports usualy runs much better at high res + AA than the console version.
Consoles to me are only for exclusives now.