Man all my friends are advlts and almost all of them have Wii's...Nintendo must be really missing their target audience completely. Anything that doesnt have boobs and guns is definitly not for advlts, eh?

Sarcasm aside, in the past history, how many M rated games has Nintendo developed? Zero
How many have they published? Only very very few.

Nintendo has never pushed M rated games. Not during the NES, SNES or N64 times.
Almost all M rated games for prior Nintendo consoles came from third party publishers. So if there is currently a lack for M rated games on the Wii, it's their fault, not Nintendo's. And in the end it's actually again the consumers fault, because there are some http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/nomoreheroes2desperatestruggle?q=No%20more%20heroes http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ds/grandtheftautochinatownwars?q=Grand%20Theft%20Auto, but they sell like [censored] and naturally publishers avoid to make games that sell like [censored].

Clear as mud.

"I didn't say that Nintendo are struggling I said they were."

?????

"M = mature, I would never of guessed"

I know you would never have guessed. In your previous post you said the following: "Interesting movie but how many M rated games are released on the Wii? A lot less than what the other 2 competitors have to offer their younger gamers"

This implies that you didn't know what the M rating is since your argument was that Nintendo doesn't have as many M rating games to offer their younger audiences.

"my point was that there were hardly any M themed games"

Just because a game is rated below M does not mean it is for younger audiences. Just about every game on Ps3 or Xbox has advlt themes to it, putting aside ratings, there are a few that would appeal to kids such as Little Big Planet on the PS3 and Ratchet and Clank (Can't think of a single one on the Xbox) Most games on those two are about Hard boiled marines killing a non specific group of terrorists in one of the following: The Middle East, Korea. or SPACE ALIENZ. THIS DOES NOT (GENERALLY) APPEAL TO YOUNGER AUDIENCES.

Also, Nintendo really aren't making games that are different to what they made back in the golden age. Nintendo has not actually changed at all. Your entire argument is based on you hating Nintendo just because tthey make games targeted at kids which is something they have ALWAYS done since the dawn of time.

Basically...as soon as you start spouting "casuals" and "hardcoe" you begin to lose a huge amount of credibility. These are ridiculous terms that are so loose they only seem to apply to "people who I don't like" rather than any one defined group.

Who gives a toss about whether a game is hardcoe or not? Or whether a game is all grimdark mature? Or whether a game is so bleeding difficult you can't get past level 1. It's like how young kids think R-rated movies are the cool hip thing, and try to sneak into theaters. Just because a movie isn't rated R doesn't mean it's automatically childish trash. Infact there are lots of R-rated movies that are far worse than anything rated PG or PG-13.

None of those things make games good, or fun. Oh sure, there are some good and fun games that have those aspects, but it's by no means a consequence.

Actually I'd like to expand on one of those comments. The games industry wouldn't be destroyed at all, just pushed towards Nintendos model - childish crap but hey from the responces on here, that's a good thing right?

From the responses here it's not seen as "childish crap" at all.

That's just opinion.

Which was my point. They haven't changed at all. That's why I hate them. As I've said multiple times, they gave me some great games to play as a little kid, but they never even attempted to keep me as a customer when I grew up. After the kids grow up and want games not meant for kids, Nintendo shakes their head and moves onto the next generation of little kids. People claim Microsoft is in it for the money, but Nintendo is just as bad. Give kids what they want, get their money, and when they grow up too much abandon them in the street for Sony and Microsoft to pick up.

Why does growing up have to equate with your own abandonment of Nintendo? What, just because you're 18 means you're not allowed to play Pokemon or Mario anymore?

Ahem... WRONG

Take away Nintendo making games targeted towards kids and casual games targeted towards grandma and the industry will die out from the complete lack of a next generation of gamers. Just like what has already happened with comic books.

At the same time, As long as people want games with hard boiled marines killing aliens and other manly advlt themed stuff then games like that will be made.

Again... There is a place for casual games, games targeted at children and games where you kill terrorists with the power of your manly balls.

Why do you automatically assume that just because a game is childish it is bad?

Mario is childish, it is targeted at children and yet pretty much everyone i have known in my life likes mario games regardless of age.

Game industry wont aim to make childish games, they just want games which have no learning curve at all and are enough easy for everyone.
So games of today aim to as easy game experience as possible.

Like I said before, I want more mature games, and that isn't something Nintendo can give me. You can play Nintendo games when you're 18, sure. But if you only have the money to buy either a Wii or one of the other two consoles, and you're an advlt, or even a teen, which would you choose? When I got a Gamecube as a pre-teen and not a Playstation or Xbox, it was a huge mistake. I starved for more mature games, while Nintendo kept feeding me kid's games. Sure, I occasionally liked a few kid's games, but I can't survive on games meant for children alone.

My point is, again, Nintendo consoles are meant for kids and Microsoft's and Sony's consoles are for the advlts Nintendo can't satisfy any more.

The industry wasn't dieing when Nintendo was nearly down and out afew years ago, it was flurishing under Microsoft and Sony. So assuming that it would die if Nintendo wasn't around is "Ahem... WRONG".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmA_2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalker#In_Gaming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_gaiden http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_flashpoint

Games way back when were only hard because of the stupid arbitrary lives system.

Ok, in all honesty those hyperlinks were the only genuinely hard games I could think of off the top of my head but there are games that are genuinely difficult out there, you just have to find them.

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Of course they are in it for the money. They are both businesses, not charity organisations. I fail to see how that makes Nintendo inferior to Microsoft or Sony. They have a strong business model targeting casual gamers (not only children, as you seem to assert), they make a lot of money and satisfy a lot of people... hardcoe gamers just aren't their target market, as you say. Do you hate Lego because they don't make games for advlts?

i dont hate nintendo
i hate the wii
yes they make a lot of casual games
but that is where they are making all of their money in games
so i cant blame them

Nintendo were nearly down and out a few years ago?

I'll take your word for that. (seriously, I will) Doesn't change anything though.

How long were they nearly down and out before they recovered? It would take more than a few years for the effects of Nintendo's absence and the absence of games targeted towards younger audiences to be seen, probably about 10-15 years because this is how long it would take for the people who were still happily gaming away on Xbox and Ps3 to grow up, get jobs, go to college and have other things in their life that come before gaming. Or just lose interest.

It seems that more kids are playing advlt games and more advlts are playing kids games. I can understand the former but more advlts playing kids game, what's the world coming to and people are worried about the next generation of gamers coming through?

Please give me an example of what you define as "kids game". Then explain why it is bad for an advlt to play it.

"people are worried about the next generation of gamers coming through?"

Yes.

I never said they weren't in it for the money, but people seem to think Nintendo is the "less evil," for lack of a better term, of the big three. I do think their target is children, and casual gamers are just along for the ride.

Anyway, I've stated my point over and over and over again so I don't see what the use of doing it any more is. I'm certainly not spending my whole morning repeating myself, so I'm out. :shrug:

Define kids game.
And how many advlts play it?

I've never saw this kind of stuff happening.

Most gamers are above 20-30 and most top seller games are designed for advlt gamers.

Yes they were nearly down and out because Microsoft and Sony cornered the market and If Nintendo wasn't around, more kids games would be made for the other 2 consoles, as both Microsoft and Sony know there is a healthy kids market out there and the developers that make games for Nintendo, would simply switch their attention to the other 2 consoles.

Excuse me, who are you to decide that the Wii is "inferior" to the other consoles available? I'm not sure if I even understand how you came to that conclusion, the only thing the Wii is lacking is performance, it's not as powerful as the other consoles. However, the Wii is fun, and in my opinion, that is what matters the most. I'm not saying it's more fun than the 360 or the PS3, but it's definitely not less fun.

May I ask are you a teacher, the reason I ask is that your last post sounds like an exam question?

Very true , hard to believe we aren't all born out of the womb "hardcoe gamers" ........hardcoe what a funny term.


True , seems like advlts play half and half of mature games and the other half if guys like to call it "childish" games.


My ideas are of this
And people , you guys are flipping out over a system from I get from the vibes in this forum not many people from this forum play with their wii often. Calm down and play some other games. SHEESH!

You have just made your entire hatred for Nintendo seem completely arbitrary and you didn't argue against the second part of my post at all. I claim victory and I am done here. I feel like i'm just repeating myself anyway. You hate Nintendo because you are elitist.