You know the creator of Final Fantasy recently split from Square Enix and joined up with Nintendo, right? He's basically making the same exact thing all over again, http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/slsj/.

http://kotaku.com/5299140/shia-labeouf-totally-hates-the-wii I have nothing against Nintendo, the Wii or casual gaming. As long as the promising titles arent dumbed down to sell more copies, then I couldnt care less.

This.

Well, it's ok to casualize some, but geez..

So why are games made by third party companies being attributed to the first party companies? If we can keep going by this logic then No More Heroes 1&2/Resident Evil 4/Madworld/Manhunt 2/House of the Dead are Nintendo games all rated M. What the hell does the M rating have to do with the game being enjoyable? Nothing. If I want a non-Wii mature game I don't go to the other 2 consoles either. Because they pretty much all get ported to PC, have better controls and the ability to be modified.

People play these games because they are FUN. Why the hell would you be playing them otherwise?

So you look cool and hip.

I'm afraid I have to put you straight on that one; the Wii is by far the most successful console of this generation, any way you measure it. It's made by far the most profit, sold by far the greatest number of units, sold by far the greatest number of games and had by far the lowest failure rate of this generation.

One can argue whether or not it's got the best games and such until the eagles choke, but the fact of the matter is that it is far more successful than any of its competitors.

Surprised you didn't mention Xenoblade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmXmwwUDzW4

true...very true

For serious? Casual gaming may be on the rise, but Nintendo is hardly the sole proprietor. Ever heard of a little company called Pop Cap? They make some of the most casual and addicting games EVER. Peggle is mind-bogglingly simple to grasp, insanely difficult to master, addictive as hell and on the PC. Sure, with the Wii, Nintendo may be gearing it's games towards a different audience than Microsoft and Sony started with, but somebody had to. I mean, if there's an entire market of consumers out there (casual) that hasn't been touched, why not go after them? What's more simple than, literally, point and click?

And look at the games that came out recently and are coming out this year: Assassin's Creed II, Bioshock 2, Mass Effect 2, FFXIII, FFXIV, All Points Bulletin, Aliens vs. Predators, Supreme Commander 2, Metro 2033, Just Cause 2, Battlefield: Bad Company 2.

Games from (almost) every genre, and I wouldn't consider any of them "casual" (maybe FFXIII).

The "hardcoe" gaming market isn't going to decline like you think it is, we're just going to see a rise in the amount of "casual" games being produced. And who coined these terms "casual", "normal" and "hardcoe"? Is it the relative difficulty of the games they play? Is it how much they play? Is it how much money they spend on games?

Take people who play Farmville. You could consider that a casual game, right? What about the people who have spent hours on it to get their farm just right and turn the most profit? What about the people who spend real money to get that edge by purchasing items? Are they still "casually" gaming? That sounds pretty "hardcoe" to me. Same could be said about Sonic titles. It's a casual game; Start on the left of the level, run to the right, don't die. Sounds pretty casual, but there are people who toil over the levels for hours and hours JUST so they can finish them a little bit faster. Has that "casual" game turned a "casual" gamer into a "hardcoe" one? Or has that "hardcoe" gamer found enjoyment in a "casual" game?

I think until you/we can properly define the terms "casual", "normal" and "hardcoe", you/we can't keep talking about how "casual gaming will destroy hardcoe gaming".

Exactly what I mean.Look at all the big games of this generation,how many are on the Wii.Yea it sold the most but most people play it when they first buy it and then just let it sit there.Its a one trick pony in my book.


I can't remember the last Time I heard ranting and raving over Wii Sports.

When it comes to big games...

The other consoles are pretty much FPS-only, which get ported to the PC circumventing the need for the console. Seriously, the only game that has any interest for me on the 360 is Tales of Vesperia. Nothing on PS3 has even briefly tempted me to get one.

They may get a lot of the big games, but if I can get them on a superior platform(PC), what's the point of owning them?

Hey, Nintendo virtually ressurected the entire gaming industry from the ashes of those who had nearly destroyed it. They created mario, zelda and metroid. To this day, a Nintendo title shines with a certain charm that nobody else can match. Their games are just plain fun. I dont own a WII but when the next Zelda comes out, I probably will buy one. I dont see them as a threat to hardcoe games at all. In fact, I would say that Sony and Microsoft are a bigger threat to it, apparently they all want to get into the interactive movie buisness and scale back that "gameplay" stuff.

Well it is pretty old...


But my flatmate, an X-Box man to the bone and further, and one of the most hardcoe gamers I've met, has been urging me for quite a while to pick up Resort. Because it's just damn fun, and that's the main thing I look for in games.

How do you know? :shrug:



Game doesn't need hype to be good or fun.

Hate Nintendo all you want, but I will always love them for getting me into gaming with great games like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Kirby, etc...

Not having to sit at a desk to play? Not having to be a master of hotkeys? Getting to play on a widescreen plasma TV? Theres tons of good reasons to choose consoles over the PC versions. I logged in many, many more hours playing Oblvion on my xbox than I did on my desktop. Its just more comfortable and relaxing.

For the last few years the only access to my computer has been from bed.

You don't need to be a master of hotkeys to play on PC. You can always navigate through clunky menus like on consoles.

Many of us don't have and can't afford massive widescreen plasma TVs. And if we could, we could always hook our PCs up to them.

And I logged many, many more hours playing Morrowind on my PC than I did on the 'box.

In the past some of this may be true, but I'm typing to you now sitting comfortably on my couch in front of my widescreen tv. You can hook a computer up to a tv. You can use your xbox controller, or a variety of other controllers with your computer. What other reasons do you have?

I just used that as a general game.I hear about Wii Fit occasionally but nothing else.


I will rephrase that as most people I know.I obviously don't know what George Smith in Kentucky does with his Wii.

It may not need hype to be fun but hype shows which games are good usually.

Yeah! Take Spore for example... :thumbsup:

In many households, the PC is for everyone to use. You have to share so mom can download her scrapbooking templates, let dad browse his "art" photos and little sister play that online game about ponies. So for us, hooking the PC up in the livingroom is not an option. Beleive me, I've tried asking mom to let me and she said no. So until the day when I can afford to buy a PC that is ONLY for games, I will be stuck at a desk when Im on it.

But yeah, it would be sweet to play PC games on my TV.

Closed for platform bashing.

But the Powerglove is so rad!

Since you forgot to lock, I'll add that I :wub: Wii, it's perfect for parties and family night.

Oh and locked for good measure.