I hate Nintendo with a passion for what they're doing to gaming. If their dominance continues I fear for the future of gaming. Already Microsoft and Sony are replicating some of their ideas in a desperate attempt to increase their market share. Yes Nintendo has made gaming more popular in recent years with the Wii but they're mainly casual gamers, not the type of gamers who will support the industry (i.e paying customers) for years to come. Casual gamers come and go, how many Wii's sit there gathering dust, maybe coming out for holidays etc? I can't believe that the most popular console out there is the Wii, worst of the 3, yes it's the cheapest but it's still inferior. I doubt it's top with hardcoe gamers.

You're probably thinking what's the point of this rant? Surelly the extra people interested in gaming is a bonus to the industry and if these casual gamers stop playing there's still regular gamers out there and even more casual gamers to hook in and maybe some of them will become hardcoe gamers but there is a problem, the longer Nintendo remains on top the more they influence their competitors and games developers. If more money can be made catering for casual gamers why bother with the rest, a situation that Microsoft and Sony could find themselves asking in the future and what about games developers? in the future they'll want to make games for the biggest market and if Microsoft and Sony joined the band wagon then the developers would concentrate even more on casual games. This would mean less choice for the rest of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9joAb4XMaUs

Watch that to see how Nintendo are actually saving the industry... AGAIN

EDIT: To expand on this... You NEED casual games aimed at younger kids or people who are new to gaming, in order to get them into gaming.

There has been casual games since the dawn of time. The problem isn't Nintendo or their approach, the problem is devs and publishers who casualize all games even when they are not supposed to be.

Blabla hardcoe gamer nerdrage

How is it Nintendo's fault for producing a console that a majority of people enjoy? It's not like they are forcing you at gunpoint to buy it.
A lot of people like it, so apparently they made something that isn't all bad.

Do I like the Wii or it's games? No, but a lot of people do. And I've played Wii with family members, women and many other people who before had zero interest gaming.

If you want to blame anyone for your imaginery destruction of the game industry, blame the consumers who buy it, not Nintendo.

You'd probably find that casual gamers are more likely to pay for their games than the supposed "hardcoe" group. No doubt piracy rates for Wii Sports Resort arn't particularly high.



When you consider that there are many more "casual" gamers than "hardcoe" gamers, the Wii being the most popular isnt surprising, also considering it's used for things like therapy. Inferior hardware-wise maybe, but inferior in terms of innovation and tapping untouched market potential? Well, we'll let the sales speak for themselves.



The rise of the crappy third-party games for the Wii in my eyes hasnt affected the rest of gaming much at all. Games like Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age Origins and MW2 are still as good as games released before the Wii. I don't see developers like Bioware opting for "casual games". These sorts of fears are the same as the "ZOMG PC GAMING IZ DYING" comments. People will keep saying it and be proven wrong over time.

Sorry OP, but your posts reeks of typical "hardcoe" elitism which I have come to despise. Learn to accept than gaming is changing, more people are playing, but there is still room for us veterans to enjoy ourselves. Quality games are still be released, and we can happily accept our new casual gaming friends with open arms.

I love nintendo they were the people that got me in to gaming, so what was your (the OP's) first game?

This, basically. No company is perfect, Microsoft and Sony have made some bad decisions in the past and so has Nintendo, but there's no real reason to hate any of the three.

I used to love Nintendo. The Nintendo 64 and the Gameboy were my favorite gaming consoles growing up. And when I became a pre-teen, I bought a Gamecube. As I bought more games for it, I longed for more mature games. Sure, Pokemon and Zelda were fun, but I longed for games like Grand Theft Auto on the PS2, and Halo on the Xbox. But I was stuck playing games aimed for younger kids, while people who owned the other consoles got to play more mature games, games meant (even though they were rated T and M) for my age group. Then when the next generation of consoles came out, and I was a teenager, I had a decision to make. Do I get the Wii, or get the Xbox 360? I learned my lesson and got a 360, and look at the Wii now. Most of it's games are for kids. A very small minority are for teens or advlts, and it was the same with the Gamecube.

I don't hate Nintendo because all they focus on is kids games. That's obviously their thing. But I do hate that my favorite game company as a kid, chose to abandon me as I became an advlt. If Nintendo wants to cater exclusively to children, fine. But in my eyes, they and their consoles will always just be kid's toys. Just like a 5 year old wont play with blocks anymore, instead playing with action figures, I'll play on the more mature consoles, instead of playing on Nintendo's.

The only Nintendo "system" I had was the Gameboy Color back in the day. I had one game for it, some Tony Hawk game. It was a terrible game IMO, I just could never get into the cartoon graphics of most Nintendo games. PC>Microsoft>Sony>Nintendo IMO.

As much as I worship Sony I could never hate Nintendo, they may be going a bit soft now but you cant forget Nintendo were in the gaming industry way before the other consoles so I think Nintendo has a right to make gaming whatever they want. Hay I praise the company for being different not like Microsoft whos only goal was to take a massive chunk out of Sonys market, the more serious gaming market they built from scratch. Long live Sony and Nintendo.

Interesting movie but how many M rated games are released on the Wii? A lot less than what the other 2 competitors have to offer their younger gamers and as for Nintendo saving the industry, I don't think so, they saved themselves as they were struggling against Microsoft and Sony, who certainly weren't struggling, it was a 2 horse race at the time.

Imaginery destruction? I didn't say it was happening I was warning that it could if Nintendo remain top dogs. I also never said that it was Nintendos fault, they did what they had to to survive.

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M rating = mature = Not for younger gamers below the age of 17 (Not 18 like i previously thought)

Obviously Xbox and PS3 have way more M rating games on their consoles, that's the entire point. Niether Sony or Microsoft are making ANY effort to appeal to younger audiences. Nintendo ARE, that's basically their whole thing. Nintendo are the only company appealing to younger audiences out there, if it wasn't for Nintendo doing this, there would be no "Next Generation" and the industry would die out. Watch the video again and pay close attention. IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED! To the comic book industry and it could happen to gaming.

Also, Nintendo are not struggling. The Wii outsells Ps3 and Xbox by a HUGE amount. If we factor handhelds into this, the DS blows all other handhelds out their right now in terms of sales.

What the [censored] does M-rated have to do with it?
Zelda and Mario games are still better than 99% of the games out there without having to resort to nudity, extreme violence,

What age rating a game has has pretty much nothing to do with how good a game is.

Imaginery destruction? I didn't say it was happening I was warning that it could if Nintendo remain top dogs. I also never said that it was Nintendos fault, they did what they had to to survive.

So you hate em, eventhough you say it's not Nintendo's fault? Hypocrite much?
If Nintendo had wanted to play it safe to save their asses, they would have tried to play the same game as Sony and Microsoft. Instead they went a totally different route and brought gaming out of the nerd basemant to the masses.
There's a reason the Wii's internal codename was Revolution.

M = mature, I would never of guessed, my point was that there were hardly any M themed games. The other 2 cater for more kids than Nintendo do for advlts and I didn't say that Nintendo are struggling I said they were.

Nintendo is for little kids, and after those little kids grow up Nintendo hands them over to Microsoft and Sony and focuses on a new batch of little kids. It's a nice cycle, really, I just wish Nintendo wasn't so obvious about how little they care about those kids after they grow up. They make games for kids and consoles for kids, and the occasional grandma, but nobody else.

And I thought I was ranting and as for Mario and Zelda :lmao:

You forgot the yogamoms antibody those are the important people.

OT I have a wii and I hardly play it, but when I do play it's one of the three games I have for it, Mario Kart, SSBB, or Pokemon Battle Revolution (Lucario looks awesome in HD )

Me = not a kid
Me = has a Wii

My girlfriend = not a kid
My girlfriend = has a Wii

My sister's fianc? = not a kid
My sister's fianc? = has a Wii



Well there goes that theory.

I couldn't have put it better myself. The problem is that Nintendos influence is spreading too much, only the future will tell.

That doesn't prove anything. A lot of my friends have Wiis too. advlts buy Wiis, but that's their choice. Nintendo doesn't care about advlts. You can buy their consoles and games as much as you want, and if you enjoy them, great. But you aren't Nintendo's target audience.

Meh. Nintendo is not an issue. I almost hate all current consoles because they turn gaming too simple and easy.

But I don't really care what happens as long they make (good) games for PC.

I'm really not getting where you're going with this. A game needn't have mature content to be aimed at advlts.

Casual games = childish dribble, just clarifying.

What's there to get? Like I said, Nintendo knows it's market is children, and makes games for children. Sure, there are a few slightly more mature games, and games targeted at the casual advlt audience like Wii Fit, but Nintendo's focus is on kids. Go to Gamestop one day, and look at the Wii section of games and then try to tell me otherwise. If you like the games Nintendo makes specifically for children, fine, there's no problem with that. But you were never the intended audience.

My whole deal is, I no longer like Nintendo because I was one of the many kids they abandoned for the newer generation. They kept keep making more kids games, and I grew out of them. Nintendo likes money just like any company does, but I wish they wouldn't make it so obvious.