I don't think Nintendo target the "kids audience". They target the "fun audience".

And expect Nintendo to somehow suddenly make their Mario, Zelda and Pokemon series filled with mature content is just silly. Those games never changed besides graphics and controls, and they never will either. Nintendo been stomping on the same ground regarding their games in the past 25 years now, why should they change? The Wii Fit isn't "new" either, they had a http://www.gamersgraveyard.com/repository/nes/peripherals/images/family-fitness-box-front.jpg, which I enjoyed greatly at my neighbour.

And only late teens and guys in the 20s view the Nintendo console as a "kids console". 30 year olds do not. They aren't afraid of playing fun games like Mario that aren't deemed "cool" because it lack guns and blood.

Kids games are things like Barbie Horse Adventures, and really, how many advlts play those? But advlts play Mario because it's fun.


I'm not sure what you mean with the bandwagon here, but if you're talking about controls like the Wii remote, you have to remember that Nintendo was first the LR buttons, the rumble function and the anologue stick. Microsoft and Sony followed Nintendo on those things too, was that a mistake from their part?

When I mentioned inferior I meant just that but hey as long as it's fun and I have every right to decide if something is inferior or not, that's my opinion, just like you have yours.

I wonder if TESV will be coming out on the Wii. I wonder if people would buy it for their Wii rather than PC or the other 2 consoles but hey it'd still be fun?

Cya :grad:

You're welcome to your opinion, it's just that it's wrong. http://www.wiitalk.co.uk/forums/general-wii-discussion/14866-demographics.html are some interesting stastics showing Wii and other console demographics. Some interesting notes:

- The Wii is the most popular choice among high-income families.
- Wii users as a whole are likely to be more educated that users of the other consoles.
- More females use Wii than males; this is the reverse with every other console.
- More than 50% of Wii owners are over 17 years old.

Skipping History much?

Nintendo is the reason video gaming survived to this day.



Oh and hardcoe gamers? People riding into the scene on Counterstrike or GTA, hardcoe gamers do not make.
Done nothing but play games all my life since the `80s on computers and consoles AND proud of it, and I love the Wii, and the DS.


Also, as I oft say, anyone who takes up a campaign of "hate" for anything, has issues often generated from outside the object of hate. IMO.

'Casual' dollars aren't worth any more or less than 'hardcoe' dollars.

I would class a hardcoe gamer either as someone who plays lots of computer games and plays them very often, or someone who plays the same game regularly for long periods of time. The TYPE of computer game is immaterial.

Wow, what campaign is this? My thread is entitled "Why I hate Nintendo" and in my opening comments I certainly didn't ask for people to join my band wagon. I put my opinions forward as I'm interested to know how other people feel about Nintendo and how they're influence might affect future gaming and the little rant got more people responding.

You really shouldn't try to twist things, as a couple of people who commented on this thread have, which I find interesting.

Are you joking? Have you seen any of the adverts on TV at the moment? They're almost solely featuring and focussing on advlts.

Here in the UK all of the adverts have advlts in them. Pretending to enjoy themselves, along with their friends. I wish I had as much fun as they seem too, when gaming.

Nintendo is awesome.



I though threads like these are not allowed.

So, like, Ultum, what's the point - You're concerned about "casual" gaming becoming the norm; Do you want people to stop buying Nintendo's products? Hell, stand outside a store with a picket sign!

Do you want Nintendo to push for the development of more "hardcoe" titles? Write on their forums! Roosting here won't change a thing, least of all anyone's opinions.



Anyway, have you even played a lot of Wii or DS games? Can you honestly deny, nevermind actually appreciating, the innovation they've brought in gaming hardware, not to mention the originality of most of the games for the DS?



Here's the thing though: Microsoft and Sony did not "corner" the market - Nintendo and Sony cornered the market. Yeah. Think about it:

Where do Nintendo and Sony come from? That's right - Japan.

Now, how many successful American consoles can you think of, besides the XBOX? ..That's right. None?

The American console industry would be zilch without Microsoft's muscle. What you're seeing is NOT Nintendo emphasizing on casual gaming, as much as Japanese manufacturers "cornering" the industry by separately catering to both the "high end" and the "low end" segments.

It should get even more interesting when or if Sega steps in with a console in the next generation, as they've been rumored to.

Admittedly they are rather cringeworthy (Harry Redknapp playing Mario Kart Wii is not something that deserves to see the light of day) but it's pretty solid evidence that Nintendo aren't targetting kids exclusively, as was suggested earlier.

Interestingly, one of my housemates last year used to hate the Wii for the same reasons you did. He spent most of his time in his room either playing Call of Duty or furiously mastvrbating.

We don't live with him anymore.

Do you feel better now, getting that off your chest? Never played on a Wii or DS and never will. Please don't come out with the comment "how do you know if you've never tried." That would be a very lame comment considering I'd never play those types of games on my 360 or PC.

Brilliant :lmao:

the first game i EVER played was zelda ocarina of time. i loved it and became a hardcoe nintendo fan.....then i got my hands on a PS2.....nowadays i worship sony AND nintendo......but the only reason i like nintendo is their zelda franchise and the smash bros. games...sony gives me everything else ^^

Oh and BTW; the Wii and the DS have brought more girls into gaming than any other platform I've seen.

So yeah, all those adverts you've seen of people having fun may actually have something going for them.

Well?

You must definitely not be having enough fun on your 360 or PC to be spending so much time instantaneously pouncing on every single post made on here.

See: http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1075264

I mean I don't think it can be any more clear.

1) Nintendo has its place but so many casual gamers have latched onto it that the video games market has become distorted and if it remains like this for too long it might begin to influence its 2 main competitors and the developers too.

2) Boredom.

Oh well I'm off, before I pounce on anymore comments. I'll catch up tomorrow.

Well that's about as stupid a statement as has ever been made about videogames. Right up there with anything that lawyer He Who Shall Not Be Named has said.

Alright Ultum, let's be honest:

If you are actually interested in playing fair, and not here just to butt heads and bait flames, you'll give others a chance to change your opinion.

and since a picture can say more than a thousand words, as it were, tell me the names of some of the recent games you've enjoyed the most, and I'll recommend some DS titles for you.

Buy or borrow and give them an unbiased try.
You definitely appear to have more than enough time on your hands; what could it hurt?

If you refuse to even indulge that at all, then you're clearly only trying to shed some frustration that does NOT result from Nintendo or anything they do and I for one will have to call troll.

Nintendo are ok, its the Wii I really do not like. I would rather play the Mass effect's or Fallout's over any Mario or Zelda game.

Your fearing for nothing.Games will be fine.The Wii is not the most successful system.Sure Sony And Microsoft will want to start catering to casual gamers but it won't hurt anything.We will still get great games because they are the ones that really sell and the ones that developers want to make.MW2 is a perfect example of it,look at its popularity and how ell it sells.

Still waiting for JRPGs to show up for the Wii...So far it has not been a good purchase the DS on the other hand was a good purchase......