*nods furiously* I wouldn't have bought Skyrim at full price if no modding tools were coming. Beth is great at creating worlds, but not much else unfortunately

Yep, entirely the point. So far I've seen several posts that entirely do not understand modding, so I'm going to throw a few ideas out there.

First, your example. I really enjoyed the start of the game. I've done it 3 times. And now I'm just about done with that part. 2 or 3 years from now, when I've picked up the game again (after taking a break for a year or so), I might want to redo the introduction. But the next few times I play Skyrim, I don't need it, I don't want it, it's turning into an annoying scripted, no-control half hour of my life that I want back. Mods can fix that. How is that not a good thing? (BTW, mods being what they are, eventually there will be options to skip the intro and still do the MQ, or to skip the intro and MQ entirely).

Second, random other examples. Mods can bring the graphics up to 2012 standards or beyond. Mods (will) fix thousands of bugs that BGS will never address. Mods will be built by people with actual experience in medieval combat to enhance the combat experience. Mods may be built by people so that it's possible to really play a pacifist character if that's what you want.

Mod will add hundreds of new armors and weapons to the game. Many will be atrocious, some will be better than anything in the vanilla game.

There will be literally tens of thousands of mods, covering everything that you can imagine and more. Many will be sloppy and poor quality, hundreds, maybe even a few thousand will be unbelievably professional.

I understand that occasionally a mod will come out that fixes something so fundamental that you wonder why BGS didn't do it in the first place, but a lot of it comes down to personal taste. And BGS has time and money constraints that aren't shared by tens of thousands of obsessed modders.

People Mod I presume because they refuse to admit the game is somewhat lackluster as it is. I don't understand the goal of modding a plain old fantasy game. It doesn't make much sense.

I have no problems admitting it, just take one look at my sig and you'll see I've got no problems critisizing Bethesda's handling of not just TES, but Fallout as well .

I still enjoy Skyrim as a game, but as a TES game it is subpar. It's a shame really, because it had real potential to be so much more...possibly even toppling Morrowind as the gold standard for TES. Bad writing (even by Beth's standards), horrible handling of the companions, quests, as well as bugs (I've not experienced too many) have marred what could've been. oh well hopefully they'll get it right for Fallout 4, but I've not got much hope for that under current leadership.

BTW: I mod my game pertly because I do enjoy some of the mods that have been (and will be made)such as correcting oversights by Beth that won't (likely) get fixed, as well as things like Sky UI which gives us as pc users something that many of us feel should've been given by Beth many years ago in the vanilla games. It's been proven time and time again that it can and will be done by the modding community, but why they won't do it (IMO) is sheer laziness.

I don't understand the goal of modding a plain old fantasy game. It doesn't make much sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bifmj1O3D24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bifmj1O3D24

I understand that occasionally a mod will come out that fixes something so fundamental that you wonder why BGS didn't do it in the first place, but a lot of it comes down to personal taste. And BGS has time and money constraints that aren't shared by tens of thousands of obsessed modders.

If you have to mod a game to make it enjoyable, then its not worth it for most of us. Its not about a lack of understanding, its seems that modders will defend a product being substandard so that they have an excuse to mod it. What about the rest of us. SOL is what your answer sounds like.

to me the fact that a game has been so heavily modded is not a good sign, to me it feels like a huge chunk of the people do not seem to like your product overall and feel the need to change it....

Hi all,

been following this and honestly i am waiting for the game to be less buggy before i take on my journey.
That being said i have been looking and reading on the game and i was wondering why people need to mod the game so much to make it right?

and why does Bethesda kinda do nothing about it?

example: SKYUI

everyone keeps saying the inventory system is poor and that skyui is the next best thing for the game since ham and cheese sandwich for college student.

ok so if a Huuuuge amount of people are saying that sky UI is better then why doesn't Bethesda do their own mod and change the UI to make it like SkyUI?

many players use the term "mod" to mean "cheat". The OP might be using the term differently than everyone else here. In Borderlands, "modding" meant to create overpowered weapons and import them into a game. It was seen as a negative by most. Modding here in this community is actually quite different.

Because modding (authoring mods) is a fun activity that we can pour endless hours into above and beyond playing the game. Actually, some modders don't even play the games much. They mostly just mod them.

--haven't read through the thread--

I see it a bit like this, might be wrong though (don't know a sh*t about modding.)
Okay. Bethesda is going to make a game, a huge game. They have to do everything from scratch.
They have to get everything right (which it seems they fail with though I haven't encountered any major bugs).
From first code writing, art, environment to story and questing.

Sure they are more people than a modder.
A modder who "only" improves a game only has to focus on one specific part. Therefore it is easier to get it even better than Bethesda that has to keep everything in mind.

I guess that Bethesda will be able to call it their own game.
"We made this together with a bunch of modders"
Doesn't really sound very professional.