Would you survive post-apocalypse after play Fallout? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:21 pm

Yes. I would survive. D'ya know why? I'm in England.

Sure you'd survive the nucelar apocolypse, But 28 days later you would'nt survive.. Hah.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:07 am

Hmmm last checked I was quite sane actually. That aside, if you understand the missile defense system as it works today, we are not the only ones who will have them in the years to come, most advanced nations will build them. Eventually the number of ABM rockets will outnumber the maximum quantity of warheads that could come in and/or the technology will advance such that ground-based X-ray or chemical lasers can melt them all in the sky. Advance further some years and no ICBM will be able to get through - we are not very far off now as we have the technology, just not the economics to make it real yet. It will likely be much Less than 100 years before ICBMs will be an outmoded technology and the economists will be happy to disconnect them when that time comes.

Then that will be the end of the relative peace that we have known since World War II, Nuclear Arsenals did not only deter superpowers from a Nuclear exchange, but from conventional war as well, with the Atomic bomb out of the way, we will enter new ages of massive world war's. And of course, as technology advances, new weaponry will become available, capable of destroying those missile defense systems. As a result a new arms race will break out at a monumental scale. And, to make things worse, this will be an uncontrolled competition with no sure outcome. If one of tomorrow's superpowers were to develop a weapon, capable of disabling an enemy's missile defense, it would render Nuclear war a very attractive possibility. As such, this development will svck us into a future of desperate uncertainty and an explosion of new weapons development.

Because people fear nuclear war, and as long as that fear remains, there will be Americans willing to spend money on the hopes that it wont ever come true. Look at Japan today - as a Gen X or Y person, who could imagine that they would ever want to Exterminate us?! But they did, and they tried. Yet today I count many of my Japanese friends as "best friends", and I can't imagine how that war ever started. My point here is that you can't predict today who the enemy of tomorrow will be, and nor can you predict the kinds of technology that will be developed (or not developed) in the years to come. ABM is Insurance by any other name, and last time I checked, Americans like to have as much insurance as we can afford. It really comes down to the human factors like that in the end.

Do you _really_ believe that the plans for nuclear bombs can be kept secret? Look at the Pakistani scientist who sold the plans to N. Korea and still thinks it was a good idea. Who will be the next to cross that line? We can't say, but we would be fools to "assume" it wont happen again. The only smart strategy in the end is to assume that Eventually, most states will have them and we will need a way to defend against them (large and small). Against a world which we cannot predict, ABM is damn good insurance IMHO. Russia and China are both doing the same, China even shot one of its own satellites out of orbit last year to prove the point. Its not just the USA, ALL powerful nations will boast ABM to the maximum extent that they have political will and money to buy.

As i argued above, this "insurance" could very well be the end of us, or at least most of us, if an other country wins the arms race. I understand that it is the only course we are able to take and that there effectively is no turning back, but the outcome of our strive to "secutirty" is more likely to be a fatal step. The only solution would be an absolute monopoly on weapons production and development, but clearly, that's impossible. China, Russia and several other well-faring nations, are sovereign powerfull states with large industries and economic and strategic influence. There will be no stopping to this new arms race.

What I believe is that the future is a scary, un-predictable place that will be rife with local (smaller) wars and probably some big ones - but I cannot predict the future. All I can do now is follow the geopolitics of the world as closely as possible, and try to gain some level of understanding about what's going on. I've studied nuclear war in my past and my father is a scientist in the field - so I've learned a few things about the real from the hype, and I firmly believe that the era of the ICBM is coming to a close as a weapon of war between super powers. It will remain our club to the rest of the world to keep the middle and lesser powers from attacking us ever again, but I think the nature of the weapons will change enormously. One no longer needs Nukes to kill mass populations and terrorize nations.

That is also true, but it doesn't really bother me with what weapon our civilization is destroyed, rather that it is and how we can prevent that.

Actually in my "madness", I think the worst weapon of war is Money. It is used as sword and shield, and is so nebulous that super powers can barely detect when it is being used as a mass weapon of war. But it is, and I think it will be the cause of many troubles ahead.

This is going very far of topic, if you like to discuss capital and it's role in modern society we should do that somewhere else.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:11 pm

I'd probably be Deathclaw chow within hours.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:37 pm

If I can find a sniper rifle and a lot of .308 rounds, me and my dog ready to survive. I would even begin to collect the bottle cap and make a note about the recipes that I might need.

But well, actually the answer is maybe, depending on how much luck I have.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:47 pm

What good will electronics do you after an EMP? Get a bicycle and learn to do things the Amish way, if you will. In fact, ride your bicycle up to the nearest Amish territory.

Lmao, So true man. I could see many ppl loot useless electronics after Nuke near by cities. While the smart ones trying to survive day by day what they can live off of. I would love live in Amish Community.

» Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:47 pm

No.

That's like saying I played every game in the call of duty series so I feel confident they can just ship me to afghanistan and fold me up in a unit and it will be old hat.

Having served 6 years in the Army, that couldn't be further from the case.

So I would imagine in a post apocalyptic world, having played fallout would be no benefit to you whatsoever, reading about the dark age would probably be a better guide to understanding the nature of a postapocalyptic world than fallout.