This Layman speaks the truth.
In addition, they have a whole month to run their own tests for ps3 and PC versions of the DLC while the content will already be out for Xbox. to do an initial beta test for xbox on an xbox makes sense.

I think you are just trying to stir something. I also think you know exactly what I meant by that statement.


Again, you seen to be proding and trying to make this sound like something it's not. I am no debater,nor do I care about making pointless arguments. There are obviously some that will be playing just to be playing. You can't prevent that. I am not trying to speak for all.

EDIT : I am afraid you will have to fill your need to fight somewhere else.

Me thinks the oghma infinium glitch has far less potential for bugging a character out than advskill and (especially) advlevel because it still abides by the game's system of gaining skills and levels.

I would venture that using console command has a more adverse effect then me doing the " Ogham glitch " , due to the fact the game gets time to adjust to what I'm doing compared to PC instantly getting it with console command. But that's neither here nor there, the fact of the matter is, is that a couple PCer's have gotten their feathers all ruffled up because consoles are doing something that's been PC exclusive. NO WORRIES to all those PCer's out there, I am going to try my best to locate as many bugs/glitches that I can find, and try my best to make the game do something it normally wouldn't do, it's kinda a speciality of mine figuring out what I can exploit

You do realize what the command console is for, don't you? A lot of people have this idea that it's a special cheat tool that the PC gets. It's not. The command console is for testing the game.

Microsoft paid- microsoft gets the benefit of 30day. We all know this. Subject over.

Have fun.

signed, unworried PCer

Look, I'll quote you:

My point is that many of those PC players will contaminate the testing with bug reports that were caused by their own usage of hackish methods.

What's wrong with consolers testing something?

That's fine, if you feel that way. And that using a glitch to exploit the system doesn't throw the game mechanics off. I have no need to try and convince you otherwise. I wish you well in the testing. I hope to be posting right beside you in the Beta forum.

Good luck.

my faith has been with you guys on every patch

If you mean the Dawnguard beta forum, that won't be happening because I'm a PC player.

I think Bethesda just want to see how the dlc plays on a console, as consoles are generally more glitchy.

There's nothing really wrong with Beta testing on a console, but most consolers are simply going to apply to get the game early, not to actually do the job.

It's kind of a weird posistion to be in. PC is the worse platform to beta test on, but has the people who are more likely to actually "Test" and not just play. Consoles limited variables means an easier time optimizing and bug fixing a lot of the more critical issues. Like quest-breakers and the lockups, but the people themselves are... well... Just look at some of the posts in the "Apply to the Dawnguard beta" thread.

I for one am one of the serious ones there isn't a glitch,exploit,bug that I don't know about / have had happen too me. I'm a gonna put it through the wringer

I have beta tested on xbox 360 and PC and they are both viable test beds, and have viable testers, will everyone on xbox test properly and report problems? Obviously no, but neither do PC testers and most will in the end (i know i have on both platforms and will on this beta program if i'm chosen)

Well said. You managed to convey in 20 words, what i have failed to do in 20 posts.

It's the same on all platforms, how exactly would the PC versions be better for testing?

Oh, don't mind me while I load up Skyrim with the 4k texture pack. It's not like staring at non-blocky faces and smooth edges make a difference. Not at all.
Keep on dreaming, console users. Keep on dreaming. Also, downloading mods is like getting a medium sized DLC every other day. Otherwise, it's the same.

Anyone who can speak their minds with extreme honesty and knows what's a glitch and what is meant to be there but might not be a good idea to be there are the better beta testers. In fact, many companies have children for beta testers because they are able to be so brutally honest about what was wrong and what should be changed. I'd say Bethesda should have their kids help with the beta testing, as well.

People who are honest should be the biggest part of the list of traits best for the beta testing. Doesn't matter if you're a PC gamer, an Xbox 360 gamer, or a PS3 gamer. It matters if you are honest and can figure out if something is a glitch or not.

Very few PC players actually have any skill in the console apart from installing the mods they use or using a few minor commands. I don't see that having a big impact on the PC being a better medium to beta test on.

For now the game is coming out on the 360 first so it makes sense to test it there first. 360 players are just as capable of running through the vanilla version and looking for issues as the majority of PC gamers would be. In fact they may do a better job as most PC gamers are overoccupied with modding and many of them would have mods installed that could cause issues that have nothing to do with the actual DLC.

Yes I know some of you are not going to do that and would do a good job but there will be many on the PC that wouldn't do any better job than the 360 players. Don't assume that someone is a more devoted gamer simply because they play on the PC. There are many very devoted gamers that play only on console. I have faith that they will do a great job looking for issues on this beta test.

Possibly there will be a beta version for PC as well. That would be a good thing when that time comes.

You choose to play PC because you enjoy it. Good for you.
I choose to play Xbox because i prefer it. There's really no reason to squabble like children.

I'm thinking the same. But the commenter's gross understatement had to be corrected. It's one thing to prefer [Console / PC] over [PC / Console] and another thing to say that the two are totally on the same level. No, they aren't. As someone who played on an XBox before, I can attest to that.

Which makes it very handy for testing the PC version. Still not seeing how PC users would be the best testers for the X360 version.


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(and yes, I have the PC version. And can't imagine playing it on console. Still think that trying to boost up PC players as some kind of ideal testing community for 360 stuff is silly.)

So what are the bets so many NDA's will be broken by a flock of new folk trying to get the beta early...since YOU NEED TO HAVE an account on THIS FORUM to Beta.


oh whats that? forumers are actually important now? :shock&awe: