Ms Zuckerburg: "anonymity on the internet has to go away

Post » Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:27 am

"No one will want to do anything to mess with other countries"? Countries interfere with other countries all the time. I won't name specific examples 'cause it would be political.
Right becuase a place like AMerica will totally risk its economy over some pointless [censored].
Amazingly enough, the Internet does just that. LGBT people in particular benefit greatly from the Internet, especially in countries where they routinely hang homosixuals - it lets LGBT people in those countries know they are not alone, which is damn important to them, and it gives them hope for the future. And, amazingly enough, some people are too poor to leave their country and start up life somewhere else, let alone get citizenship somewhere like the United States or the UK.
yeah and then back to thier country, hated, hiding who they are. Trapped. It wont change anyhing long term.
Who said get citizenship ? I said leave. Look at Mexicans who cross the border into the US. It could take people a long time, wont be easy, but they could escape.

Really? Ok. Fine. Anonymous chat can help, say, a lisbian girl in country X know that she is not alone in the world - not only are there other lisbians in country X, but there are people in country Y who are trying to help LGBT people in country X. Anonymity in those cases is extremely important and, yes, saves lives. And, again, not everyone has the capability to leave their own country and move somewhere else. Freedom of movement is not guaranteed.
Yes it would totally stop her being killed if discovered.... Oh wait it wouldnt. Please the internet has little impact, look at anon, internet they are somewhat relevent. Outside "oh no my website is down for an hour".
So since you have nothing to hide, that means that other people who do (or who care about their privacy) shouldn't be able to?
Yeah becuase im sure most citizens in my country and others have dark secrets to keep hidden, becuase you know being gay is such a terrible thing for people in places like Europe, Canada, some parts of America and parts of Asia. Wait what do you mean the government isnt treating them like complete [censored] anymore. In most places the only stuff that the government would care about that people would hide is pedophillia, drug smuggling/dealing, terrorism and things of that severity. Unless your one of those you wont have an issue.
... that... that scares me right there.
People that put freedom above security annoy me. Want total freedom go to Somalia, no real law enforcement. Do what the hell you want, you may get killed though.



Egypt and Tunisia ring a bell?

Only becuase the army joined, if the army didnt care then they would die, China, Syria and Libya ring a bell ?
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:21 am

:celebration:

http://www.attackvector.org/invasion-of-privacy/

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Here’s something to really think about.. I was able to obtain all of the information in this post for 16 cents and by just using an email and IP address from a piece of spam.

Family members, ages, schools, anniversary dates, marriage lengths, hobbies, interests, phone numbers, addresses, property records, property taxes, pictures of their house, pictures of them, pictures of their children and grandchildren, deeds on their house, bankruptcies, employment history, previous addresses, previous creditors, and bits of social security numbers.

I’m pretty sure I’d be able to fake my way through one of those password reset forms.. you know, where you set up a “secret question” asking what your dogs name was, or where you went to school?

Beyond that, I’m fairly confident that at this point, if I were to call his bank and pretend to be him, I could easily pass when they asked me personal questions.

I think you get the idea.. essentially.. guard your personal information with your life. Never post your phone number on the internet (unless you’re using a proxy number, which is what I do), and make sure no personal information is associated with your email address before you go firing off emails to strangers.

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Post » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:00 pm

honestly not very many people could ever handle true and total freedom. but a nanny sate is not an answer either. you are responsible for your own actions only. to go around telling everyone what actions that they can only take because you want to be responsible for them is the most irresponsible thing you can do. take care of you and yourself. if the rest of the world can't then they can take a very long walk of a very short pier. and i'll watch that stupidity from the shore. thank you very much.
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Post » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:08 pm

Only becuase the army joined, if the army didnt care then they would die, China, Syria and Libya ring a bell ?
And you think the army joining up with the protestors in Egypt and Tunisia wasn't impacted in some way by the Internet?

Right becuase a place like AMerica will totally risk its economy over some pointless [censored].
Uhhh... yes, yes it will. If you actually have to ask me for examples of how the United States is doing just that, you should probably check out the news.

yeah and then back to thier country, hated, hiding who they are. Trapped. It wont change anyhing long term.
Who said get citizenship ? I said leave. Look at Mexicans who cross the border into the US. It could take people a long time, wont be easy, but they could escape.
Again, simply leaving the country isn't an answer for everyone. If they ever do get caught outside their country of citizenship... they get deported back. Plus, the whole "money" issue is still at play. That and people don't always want to leave their own homeland.

Yes it would totally stop her being killed if discovered.... Oh wait it wouldnt. Please the internet has little impact, look at anon, internet they are somewhat relevent. Outside "oh no my website is down for an hour".
The Internet has an amazing level of impact. You seem to have little understanding of just what it can mean for an LGBT person to simply talk with another LGBT person, especially when they are going through the years in which they question their own sixuality and how they fit into the world, when they are questioning their very identity.

Yeah becuase im sure most citizens in my country and others have dark secrets to keep hidden, becuase you know being gay is such a terrible thing for people in places like Europe, Canada, some parts of America and parts of Asia. Wait what do you mean the government isnt treating them like complete [censored] anymore. In most places the only stuff that the government would care about that people would hide is pedophillia, drug smuggling/dealing, terrorism and things of that severity. Unless your one of those you wont have an issue.
... ever heard of a right to privacy? I like my privacy, thank you very much.

People that put freedom above security annoy me. Want total freedom go to Somalia, no real law enforcement. Do what the hell you want, you may get killed though.
And people who value security over liberty scare me. As was once written by a very wise man: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Post » Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:12 pm

Meh, my real name, my email address, and my place of work are freely available on the internet.

As for Zuckerberg's point, I'm fairly sure that ten to fifteen years of social psychology have established that anonymity over the internet tends to lower social inhibitions and to raise the salience of group stereotypes. I'm not aware of any research that establishes that anonymity over the internet encourages anti-social behaviour beyond that. (There is an earlier social psychological literature on how anonymity encourages anti-social behaviour, but it's not clear how this extends to interactions over the internet).

But Zuckerberg might merely be suggesting that anonymity over the internet is enabling anti-social behaviour of those already with anti-social dispositions. Perhaps anonymity is lowering those inhibitions which might otherwise prevent them from behaving anti-socially. This point is not refuted by the existence of some people who continue to act like dikes on the internet even when their anonymity is removed.
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Post » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:12 pm

Do people ever get past stage 1 thinking? I swear. I'd much rather deal with internet trolls (like this would stop it, anyway) than make identity theft even easier. :facepalm:
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Post » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:06 am

Meh, my real name, my email address, and my place of work are freely available on the internet.

As for Zuckerberg's point, I'm fairly sure that ten to fifteen years of social psychology have established that anonymity over the internet tends to lower social inhibitions and to raise the salience of group stereotypes. I'm not aware of any research that establishes that anonymity over the internet encourages anti-social behaviour beyond that. (There is an earlier social psychological literature on how anonymity encourages anti-social behaviour, but it's not clear how this extends to interactions over the internet).
Do you have any citations for that? I'd love to read through them. But honestly it doesn't altogether surprise me that anonymity would increase antisocial behavior.

But Zuckerberg might merely be suggesting that anonymity over the internet is enabling anti-social behaviour of those already with anti-social dispositions. Perhaps anonymity is lowering those inhibitions which might otherwise prevent them from behaving anti-socially. This point is not refuted by the existence of some people who continue to act like dikes on the internet even when their anonymity is removed.
Again, this could be true - and it likely is. However, the proposed "fix" - trying to end anonymity on the Internet - would simply cause more headaches than I feel it is worth. "Trolls" exist everywhere - not just the Internet. Putting a name to someone who's cyberbullying people doesn't tend to help - again, just look at Facebook and the rash of suicides that were caused by cyberbullying earlier this year (I can't find a source right now for this).

Do people ever get past stage 1 thinking? I swear. I'd much rather deal with internet trolls (like this would stop it, anyway) than make identity theft even easier. :facepalm:
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Post » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:04 pm

Every aspect of our lives has some layer of anonymity. People out on the streets will see what I look like, but they won't know where I live or what my name is. To force the internet to have little to no anonymity is directly opposite of what we experience during every day life. Just as I do not shout my name and where I live in the street, I definitely don't want to be forced to do the same on the internet of all places.
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