Bethseda Taking Lessons from Bioware

Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:37 pm

You hear complaints about the last 15-20 minutes of Mass Effect 3, and you hear praise for the other 60 hours of the game. People really need to grow up.

If you haven't played Mass Effect 1, 2, 3 to understand why then shut up
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:01 pm

Not everyone agrees with you's, this DLC is very Mixed you ever love it or hate it.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:39 pm

If you haven't played Mass Effect 1, 2, 3 to understand why then shut up

I have, and found the whole drama about the endings ridiculous. But i do enjoy good drama, like the vampire attacks of Dawnguard, so DA2 and ME3 were excellent games for that alone :tongue:

On topic, like i've said before, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were dungeon crawlers, but made an effort to hide that. Skyrim no longer even tries. And if Dawnguard doesn't either, i have to worry about the future Bethesda games.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:49 am

Even if it wasn't. It still should have been written quality work. It has nothing to do with the upstaging of Shivering Isle, it has to do with the way things were written.
The only things I found wrong with the story was the beginning and the lack of multiple endings. Experience the side quests. Kill dragons and spiders with crossbows. Run around Skyrim as a fully perked werewolf. TES is always more than the main quest. Their DLC is exactly the same (except KotN, I think. I'm an Oblivion newb).
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:30 am

I'm not sure I understand where Skyrim has any less choice than Oblivion or Morrowind. Every guild in each one had its own set storyline with no deviation. Same for the main quests. And Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles. The only real choice is what guild to join depending on what your character's personality is like.

I found at least a little more choice in that one can side with the Blades or Paarthunax for different ideologies, as well as the same with the Civil War. Dawnguard may have been pretty linear, but it's still the first story (apart from the Civil War) I've seen in the past few games with factions actually fighting against each other.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:31 pm

Stop complaining , we are lucky to get anything at all, besides could you make a better game?


No.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:03 pm

The only things I found wrong with the story was the beginning and the lack of multiple endings. Experience the side quests. Kill dragons and spiders with crossbows. Run around Skyrim as a fully perked werewolf. TES is always more than the main quest. Their DLC is exactly the same
this I play TES games because its a sandbox where I can do what I want it's why ive been buying TES games and will continue to do so till they stop making them
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:15 pm

If anything Bethseda fans are taking lessons from Bioware fans.

Bioware fans: "We don't like your ending, change it."

Bethseda fans: "We don't like your feature, remove it."
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:35 pm

If anything Bethseda fans are taking lessons from Bioware fans.

Bioware fans: "We don't like your ending, change it."

Bethseda fans: "We don't like your feature, remove it."
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:01 am

If anything Bethseda fans are taking lessons from Bioware fans.

Bioware fans: "We don't like your ending, change it."

Bethseda fans: "We don't like your feature, remove it."
THIS. THIS. 1000 TIMES THIS.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:15 am

If anything Bethseda fans are taking lessons from Bioware fans.

Bioware fans: "We don't like your ending, change it."

Bethseda fans: "We don't like your feature, remove it."
You good sir have found me new signature!!!
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:39 am

If anything Bethseda fans are taking lessons from Bioware fans.

Bioware fans: "We don't like your ending, change it."

Bethseda fans: "We don't like your feature, remove it."
Nice one. :bunny:
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:00 pm

If anything Bethseda fans are taking lessons from Bioware fans.

Bioware fans: "We don't like your ending, change it."

Bethseda fans: "We don't like your feature, remove it."
aint that the truth lol
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:28 am

Sacae wins. Just saying.

:ph34r: That was not directed to ^that^ fellow.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:25 am

That's one of the major issues I have with bethesda's games. They have a large world, but its obviously designed more like a themepark than an actual location. The NPCs don't come off as really unique individuals, so much as coming off like actors who walk about, and instantly turn to robotically acknowledge you when you get within 5 feet of them because that is what they are for. Quests cannot be failed, nor can they be autocompleted by other NPCs or events dealing with the job before we can.

It just feels so static and unchanging...to the point where there isnt even a good reason to replay it because nothing changes. It lacks a certain sense of authenticity, by making it so blatantly obvious that the entire world utterly revolves around our character, yet at the same time the lack of branching paths and alternate choices/outcomes in quests makes it obvious our character is just along for the ride.

This. Take a look at a game like Witcher 2. I would much much prefer the Witcher 2 for an Elder Scroll based game, than what they have now. Cause right now this isn't working.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:21 am

This. Take a look at a game like Witcher 2. I would much much prefer the Witcher 2 for an Elder Scroll based game, than what they have now. Cause right now this isn't working.
thats what TES games are if I remember right the game Manuel from morrowind tells you that its a sandbox to do what you want and they have been that way in every tes game ive played and its why I continue to play them the only thing dont like about TES games since Oblivion is essential characters but thats my only real complaint
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:59 am

thats what TES games are if I remember right the game Manuel from morrowind tells you that its a sand box to do what you want and they have been that way in every tes game ive played and its why I continue to play them the only thing dont like about TES games since Oblivion is essential characters but thats my only real complaint

But I liked Morrowind and Oblivion. Skyrim is the shallow end of a pool. Sure Morrowind and Oblivion are not at the deep end of the pool either. But at least you can swim, not just walk around an edge.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:59 am

thats what TES games are if I remember right the game Manuel from morrowind tells you that its a sand box to do what you want and they have been that way in every tes game ive played and its why I continue to play them the only thing dont like about TES games since Oblivion is essential characters but thats my only real complaint

it would be nice to see a mash up of witcher 2 and skyrim without degrading quality in story telling or exploring

maybe cdprojeckts new steam punk rpg
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:55 pm

While I actually agree about Bioware - given that it's my opinion that the median quality of their products have gone down since big bad EA bought them out.. I don't feel the same way about Skyrim.

My first Elder Scrolls game was Morrowind. This is still my favorite game in the series. Not because it's a better game that appeals less to casuals. (If you could even be called a casual back then). But simply because it was my first Elder Scrolls game.

Oblivion and Skyrim just didn't hold the same mysticism for me. That's it. I liked Morrowind more simply for that reason. Learning about this new, massive, detailed world and its mythos was breathtaking. This does not make it the better game of the three. Oblivion and Skyrim are far better. The tech is better. They have more features.

I think it's just nostalgia for their first Elder Scrolls game that makes people act like this. Very similar to the fact that you usually listen to the same music that you favored as a teenager for the rest of your life.
That's my take. Apologies for any grammar mistakes. Typing in a phone svcks! =)
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:35 am

While I actually agree about Bioware - given that it's my opinion that the median quality of their products have gone down since big bad EA bought them out.. I don't feel the same way about Skyrim.

My first Elder Scrolls game was Morrowind. This is still my favorite game in the series. Not because it's a better game that appeals less to casuals. (If you could even be called a casual back then). But simply because it was my first Elder Scrolls game.

Oblivion and Skyrim just didn't hold the same mysticism for me. That's it. I liked Morrowind more simply for that reason. Learning about this new, massive, detailed world and its mythos was breathtaking. This does not make it the better game of the three. Oblivion and Skyrim are far better. The tech is better. They have more features.

I think it's just nostalgia for their first Elder Scrolls game that makes people act like this. Very similar to the fact that you usually listen to the same music that you favored as a teenager for the rest of your life.
That's my take. Apologies for any grammar mistakes. Typing in a phone svcks! =)
This nostalgia is exactly why I can't decide if I like Oblivion or Skyrim more.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:27 pm

This nostalgia is exactly why I can't decide if I like Oblivion or Skyrim more.

skyrim brought me closer to this "nostalgia" more than oblivion
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:29 am

skyrim brought me closer to this "nostalgia" more than oblivion
I started with Oblivion, so I get nostalgia from playing it. That's what I meant.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:16 pm

I personally love skyrim moar than morrowind and oblivion. Never played daggerfall n' such. Before my time I think, or I was too young. Besides glitches, I'm not sure why people are so upset with Bethesda over Skyrim. It was faithful to older fans in my opinion, while still contributing to a wider audience.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:14 pm

I love each for its different things. I liked Morrowind, but never got very far seeing as I was on a xbox when playing it. Oblivion was nice, and the quest lines were long and exciting. Skyrim has a lot more choices than the previous games (IMO), but like many bethesda games, in an effort to meet deadlines, they release a not quite perfected copy. Like New Vegas.
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Post » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:59 am

On topic this time. Well, who am I kidding my last post was on topic.

But, personally, I love Skyrim. I love Oblivion. And I love Morrowind.

I don't think Bethesda is doing wrong with TES. What Bioware did with Dragon Age 2 can not be compared to Skyrim in any way. Any way. (And personally, I loved ME3, so Bioware itself made a mistake with Dragon Age, not with Mass Effect)

Skyrim is a great game, some flaws.

But, look at what most games are out right now. Games like Skyrim are rare. People that point out flaws is alright. Cause every game has flaws. But, to say Skyrim is bad because of them would be wrong.

Personally, Bethseda did nothing like Bioware did to Dragon Age 2. Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind are great games in their own way.
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