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100% Sanctuary

Sure the CoC could stop time, but how would he get to the Nerevarine whos all the way up there?
Thanks boots of the apostle.

Doesn't matter whether it's the Shivering Isles or not, he is a Daedric lord.

Try getting your Dovahkin to kill the Daedric lord Sanguine when he enters Mundus - no weapon, shout or magic will work on him.

CoC/Sheogorath will equally be invulnerable to anything the Dovahkiin can bring to the fight.

Well by that logic the battle would rage on indefinitely between CoC, Nerevarine, and Dovahkiin cuz they could just put in tgm

The Dragonborn would get wabbajacked into a sweetroll, but the Dragonborn could end up mantling a Daedric entity like Trinimac

speaking of mannimarco and Mannimarco is technically so that would make the champion of cyrodil a

The coc can create deadly spells and go 100% chameleon as well as run at the speed of light, have the strength of an ox, and wear 2 enchanted rings, and an amulet fortifying protection. Not to mention he can cast a ridiculous fortify health, absorb health, weakness to... The only thing the dov has are the shouts...

the CoC would win the leveling system in skyrim as opposed to oblivion plays a huge roll in this. your oblivion character will always be more powerful then your Skyrim character.

this ^^^

I know people like to blindly follow the hype and the current new kid on the block, but cmon people, let's get real here.
Dovahkiin is the weakest protagonist they've ever produced.

Both can take a daedric lord with as much ease. Both can take a small army with as much ease. Dragon shouts I'd definitely say give the edge.

Dovahkiin of course, he has fus ro dah. Owned many Lydia's in the past lol.

Shouts are not magic. So spell absorption wouldn't hinder a shout.

Champion of Cyrodiil
Dovahkiin

Champion of Cyrodiil

Doesn't matter either way - whether it be shouts, weapons or magic they won't work on a Daedric prince, so he won't need spell absorption.

Try harming Sanguine with your Dovahkiin - it's impossible; if the Dovahkiin cannot even harm Sanguine how is he suppose to even fight Sheogorath (who, lorewise, is suppose to be the most powerful Daedra)?

Champion of Cyrodil: "I'm Sheogorath, HAHAAHAH!"

And then the Dovahkiin was cheese.

CoC, seeing as he's Sheogorath now...

First of all I'd like to say that I hate the urge that I have to participate in this conversation.

Completely putting aside Lore (because that just compared how impressive their acts were and depends on the storytelling of the Devs) and looking at what they could do, it's CoC, thought not because of what you said. Dusk/Dawn Fang was an ok weapon, the crusader relics were good, not great, and the Imperial Dragon Armor down right svcked (but looked amazing).

Even though a Dovahkiin with max enchanting and smithing could probably make a better caliber of armor with good enchantments, the CoC could enchant those things with:

- 100% chameleon
- spell absorption
- or easily stack some solid armor and Jewelry to get 100% damage and Spell Reflection.

He could also abuse the hell out of weapon Enchantments and spells and make either a spell or a weapon with this enchantment:

- 100% Weakness to Magicka for 5 seconds
- 100% Weakness to Shock for 5 seconds
- Shock Damage 20 points

And just abuse the weakness stacking and do enormous damage.
There's also stuff like the Staff of Sheogorath, the Skull of Corruption (which was awesome in Oblivion), etc.
Though to be fair, you can't rely on Daedric artifacts here because they're in different time zones and they both had access to this stuff.

Don't get me wrong, Shouts are badass, and if they're fighting on a cliff or something I'd expect the Dovahkiin to just fus ro dah him off but otherwise they wouldn't do much to someone with spell absorption and damage and spell reflection.

Plus spells were just way easier for the CoC, I could turn invisible, paralyze, command, and frenzy (Illusion skill FTW) way more easily than Dovahkiin.

P.S. Fortify acrobatics by 100 pts x 3, just to [censored] around with the guy.

did we play the same game?? becoming sheogorath was in name alone... you got a few cool powers that mainly svcked. Also a castle of protectors... "in another realm" Being someone who used the crafting system in oblivion alot... how in the hell do you get 100% reflect dmg... WITH 100% absorb magic... ANND 100% invisible... without exploits?? you only have so many rings and articles of clothing... spells?? limited. Shouts win... Dovahkiin wins.

Stalemate.

COC can get 100% Damage reflect and 100% magic resis/reflect/absorb so Dovahkiin cannot attack him.

Dovahkiin can get 100% Magic absorption and infinite healing. COC has quite terrible melee damage and without slience or paralyze, he cannot stop Dovahkiin from healing.

Both will give up and go home.

the Sheogorath in SKYRIM gives hints (although he doesn't come right out and say it) that he was around dureing the oblivion crisis and stuff, there by implying he is the CoC

Tell that to the deathlord who tried to hit me unrelenting force... which I absorbed, or the dragon that tried to fire breath me... which I absorbed. 80% spell absorption makes shouting enemies just as obsolete as it does mages. So YES, spell absorb does absorb shouts. And I have shouted at dragonpriests and had them absorb it... so it goes both ways.

To further explain my CoC>Nerevarine>Dragonborn.... Shouts mean nothing against a high spell absorption which you can easily achieve over 100% permanent with CoC, and temporarily over 100% with Nerevarine. And to further explain that temporarily... with a 100 enchant, the right enchanted items, and enough soul gems that temporarily is going to be hours long. CoC can stop time, sorry that kind of trumps all. And yes arrows can hurt him... but what good is an arrow when his potions have his health replenishing at 20pts per seconds for... well a very long time, and he can use 5 potions at one time? If you do actually hurt him... he stops time. Nerevarine, besides being immune to magic thanks to 100+ spell absorb he can also teleport and fly. And he has a fireball uzi, so he flys above you and rains down an unending magical storm. 1 tiny ring will let him cast that fireball or lightning ball 400 times, how many rings can he carry with 200 strength? Sorry you will run out of health potions before he runs out of fireballs. I would say the nerevarine trumps all because of the flight, teleporting, and fireball uzi rings, but the CoC can just stop time which trumps all, that and 100% spell absorb means raining fireballs doesn't help.

What does the dragonborn have? Shouts and spells that get absorbed, a sword that is useless to both(100% resist damage, and flight), arrows that will not do enough damage fast enough... And even if he does somehow knock 10% of the CoC or Nerevarine's health down the CoC can stop time, and the Nerevarine can just teleport away to fly back at another time.

Sorry there is no reasonable way that the dragonborn can win this fight. And his pet dragon... well his shouts are useless to both, his physical damage won't do anything to the CoC, and the nerevarine can dish out so much magic damage so fast that he won't last long enough to get close enough to bite him. Even if he did.... teleport.


I thought it was maxed at 80. Atronach stone + atronach perk. Where is the other 20? The dragonskin ability only lasts 60 seconds and is a once a day power, 60 seconds of spell absorb is not going to cause a stalemate.

before the CoC became Sheogorath the Dovahkiin would win, though once he is Sheogorath the CoC would win seeing as he is a deadric prince

To make the fight more fair we should say who would win if pre-shivering isles CoC fought the dovahkiin, in which case the dovahkiin would win hands down. Heck realistically one fus ro da irl should kill or seriously injure someone. Imagine getting flung x number of feet back in the air at fast speeds and slamming into the ground, you're gunna break lots of bones.

And to those saying the DB only could take down Alduin with the heros...FALSE! I almost killed the scaly bastard at the throat of the world by myself if the big chicken didn't fly/run away

My CoCs could wipe the floor with Dovahkiin even before they hit the Shivering Isles... especially the mages.