Champion Of Cyrodiil vs Dovahkiin!

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:50 am

Use the Shout that Alduin used at the beggining of the game and the CoC would be like that's just not far Dovahkiin win thats my two cents goodbye :stare:
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:58 am

Champion of cyrodiil isn't a hero or demi-god or anything else than a normal man. Dovakhiin wins without a fight.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:26 am

That's the stupidest way of doing this I've ever heard. Limiting them to what they have in their games? That's not how it works. It's what they have at their disposal in Tamriel as a whole. You can't limit them to their game mechanics.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:12 pm

Fully leveled CoC has 100% Chameleon, Mehrunes razor with 200 luck means Dovakiin dies in the first 9 strikes on average. That's like 5 seconds or less..
Dovakiin can "see" CoC with a show life spell that is not persistent so he can't use any other magic, then gets one shout. That's all he gets because of cool down times. Mehrunes razor in Skyrim is way underpowered compared to Oblivion (only 3% chance of an insta-kill) What shout do you use? None are instantly fatal. The one that will help you the most is "become ethereal" so you can run away without being killed in 5 seconds.
It's not even close. Dovakiin just does not have the firepower or the defense to stand against the CoC.

At level 1 Dovakiin has "flames" that cause 8 damage per second starting with 100 magicka for a total of 12 seconds so flames does 96 damage.
CoC depending on race and birthsign (ie A Breton with Atronach sign) could have high spell immunity and spell absorption. So magic would not work on him. but he can do 6 damage at a time with his flare spell. CoC can train most of his minor skills without leveling before he leaves the sewers. There is no way for the Dovakiin to get stronger without leveling before he leaves Helgen.
Again, CoC wins at level 1.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:20 pm

Oh screw that. I didn't even think about the fact that CoC is sheogorath.

We'll just have to wait and see for the dovahkiin to become him as well in future DLC :D
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:49 am

Champion of cyrodiil isn't a hero or demi-god or anything else than a normal man. Dovakhiin wins without a fight.

CoC was a Hero. But then he became Sheogorath. Now he is The Daedric Prince of Madness.

Remember, in all Elder Scrolls Games, you play as a Hero.

Eternal Champion, The Agent, Nerevarine, Champion of Cyrodiil, and The Last Dragonborn are all Heroes. They are stronger than the normal mortal and destined to do something that was recorded in the Elder Scrolls.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:34 am

The Apprentice from Battlespire. He fought dagon with no divine help and doesn't afraid of anything.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:18 pm

I would say if they both would fight with the same basic unenchanted armor and weapons then Dovakiin wins no sweat.
But Coc would easily win if you play with enchanted armor and weapons.

Easy.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:39 pm


CoC was a Hero. But then he became Sheogorath. Now he is The Daedric Prince of Madness.

Remember, in all Elder Scrolls Games, you play as a Hero.

Eternal Champion, The Agent, Nerevarine, Champion of Cyrodiil, and The Last Dragonborn are all Heroes. They are stronger than the normal mortal and destined to do something that was recorded in the Elder Scrolls.
CoC is, however, not a real hero in any unnormal way compared to regular adventurer-heroes. Only after the DLC did he become a god. Before it, he was just a human.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:00 pm

Hmm. Coc defeats daedric prince in SI, but couldn't do anything to stop Dagon..
Dovahkiin defeats Alduin twice with help...
Not sure. I guess Dragonborn from the perspective of lore... but gameplay definitely goes to CoC. CoC can just backpedal Dovahkiin to death, shouts or no shouts.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:03 am

CoC is, however, not a real hero in any unnormal way compared to regular adventurer-heroes. Only after the DLC did he become a god. Before it, he was just a human.

No. CoC is a Hero even before the DLCs. The Oblivion Crisis Event wouldn't have happened if CoC wasn't a Hero. AND watch the trailer thing for Oblivion.. It even said "A Hero will Rise"...

Trust me, CoC is a Hero like all other Elder Scrolls Hero. Please do some research on the Elder Scrolls themselves and look for a quote made by Zurin.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:14 pm

No. CoC is a Hero even before the DLCs. The Oblivion Crisis Event wouldn't have happened if CoC wasn't a Hero. AND watch the trailer thing for Oblivion.. It even said "A Hero will Rise"...

Trust me, CoC is a Hero like all other Elder Scrolls Hero. Please do some research on the Elder Scrolls themselves and look for a quote made by Zurin.
Todd Howard himself talked about CoC as the least god-like epic-hero of the three newest TES. He is a normal human. Martin is the true hero-god. We are merely his followers.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:16 am

Todd Howard himself talked about CoC as the least god-like epic-hero of the three newest TES. He is a normal human. Martin is the true hero-god. We are merely his followers.

CoC is the 'least god-like epic-hero' of the 3 newest TES but he is still A HERO. If CoC wasn't a Hero, he wouldn't been able to close the Great Oblivion Gate. He Wouldn't be able to kill the King of Worms. He wouldn't be able to do many things that he had done because normal mortals cannot do stuff like that. Only Heroines can do such things and CoC is a Heroine thus he is a Hero. Without him, Dagon would've won. Martin was the key thing needed but it was the CoC who did everything that no one else could. It was CoC who was destined to help Martin stop Dagon. CoC is a Hero, just like ALL Elder Scrolls Heroes. You cannot denied that!

CoC is a Hero thru and thru.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:41 pm

CoC is the 'least god-like epic-hero' of the 3 newest TES but he is still A HERO. If CoC wasn't a Hero, he wouldn't been able to close the Great Oblivion Gate. He Wouldn't be able to kill the King of Worms. He wouldn't be able to do many things that he had done because normal mortals cannot do stuff like that. Only Heroines can do such things and CoC is a Heroine thus he is a Hero. Without him, Dagon would've won. Martin was the key thing needed but it was the CoC who did everything that no one else could. It was CoC who was destined to help Martin stop Dagon. CoC is a Hero, just like ALL Elder Scrolls Heroes. You cannot denied that!

CoC is a Hero thru and thru.
From the things he does, yes. But before he does that, no. He is an entirely different hero than dovahkiin. That is my point. He is a normal mortal, unlike dovahkiin. He is a no-one, who by his actions became a champion. Martin, however, is the true hero of oblivion. We are his followers as the champions of cyrodiil. Yes, we have done some amazing things before that moment, but we aren't the hero in the same way the dovahkiin is. You cannot deny that.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:03 pm

like i said before, All the Dragonborn has goin for him is that he has powers by being "chosen" by Akatosh.

CoC is a Hero, The Chosen not just of Akatosh, but of the nine (Knights of the Nine), and a god (Sheogorath Prince Of Madness (Argueably one of the most powerful daedric princes))
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:17 am

From the things he does, yes. But before he does that, no. He is an entirely different hero than dovahkiin. That is my point. He is a normal mortal, unlike dovahkiin. He is a no-one, who by his actions became a champion. Martin, however, is the true hero of oblivion. We are his followers as the champions of cyrodiil. Yes, we have done some amazing things before that moment, but we aren't the hero in the same way the dovahkiin is. You cannot deny that.

Without CoC, Martin would've been killed. Martin is just an Emperor. He wasn't made for fighting, wasn't made for anything EXCEPT for doing the sacrifice that he had done; that was his destiny.... The CoC, from the day s/he was born, is a Hero. It is his destiny. And don't compare CoC to the Dragonborn because each Hero is different for their own destiny. Remember, the Elder Scrolls foretold each of these events and the Hero who is needed for these events. The CoC was in the Elder Scrolls when it foretold the Oblivion Crisis.

The truth is, CoC is a Hero. No doubts about it. Saying he is not is by far the stupidest thing I've ever seen an Elder Scrolls Fan said. It is, no joke.

So basicly, The CoC is a Hero and always been a Hero. It was his destiny to help Martin and defeat Dagon. It was him who stopped the Oblivion Crisis, not Martin. Martin, sadly to say, was just a tool to used to stop it except the 'tool broke' after being used.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:37 pm

like i said before, All the Dragonborn has goin for him is that he has powers by being "chosen" by Akatosh.

CoC is a Hero, The Chosen not just of Akatosh, but of the nine (Knights of the Nine), and a god (Sheogorath Prince Of Madness (Argueably one of the most powerful daedric princes))

Sheogorath lacks Strength but, from what I've read, he tricks the other Princes quite easily.. So he can be considered as one of the most powerful.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:29 am

Snip.
:rolleyes: Still in an entirely different way than dovahkiin.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:25 pm

CoC wears 100 reflect Damage.
CoC casts a combination disintegrate weapon/armor spell made at his handy dandy alter if mage, as a weapons enchantment if warrior.
CoC paralyzes so Dovahkiin doesn't run.
CoC kills Dovahkiin.

Winner CoC.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:04 am

the CoC is a god and he already controlled the Dovakin in skyrim (sheogoraths quest) so i would go with CoC but who knows with expansions Dovakin could get far more powerful
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:28 pm

:rolleyes: Still in an entirely different way than dovahkiin.

That is true. Every Hero is built for their own reasons.

Eternal Champion - Made to be able to repair the Staff of Chaos and defeat Jagnar Tharn.
The Agent - Made to be able to investigate and recovered the lost Numidon.
Hero of Battlespire - Made to stop Dagon from invading Tamriel via the Battlespire.
Cyrus - I never played Redguard but he killed a Dragon so he was made for quite a lot.
Nerevarine - Made to be able to stop Dagoth Ur and the Corrupted Dunmer God.
CoC - Made to able to stop Dagon and become Sheogorath.
Dragonborn - Made to able to defeat Alduin.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:29 pm

CoC - Made to able help Martin stop Dagon and become Sheogorath.
Dragonborn - Made to able to defeat Alduin.
Without looking at DLC, what is different with those two. Who is mortal and who is more than a mortal?
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:27 am

Without looking at DLC, what is different with those two. Who is mortal and who is more than a mortal?

Like I said before, Martin was just a tool that was needed. The CoC did the actually stuff. I mean, CoC defeated Armies after Armies of Dremoras and other Daedra...... Seriously, when I was playing Skyrim, Two Dremora Mage slaughtered me like 6 times >.>

I think the CoC was made to slaughter Daedra and Dragonborn slaughters Dragons.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:08 am

Without looking at DLC, what is different with those two. Who is mortal and who is more than a mortal?
CoC was not made to help Martin stop Dagon. CoC did all the work, all Martin did was break the amulet.

If anything Martin WAS MADE to help the CoC.

besides, even if you don't look at the DLC, its still there, so CoC is still Sheogorath
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:52 am

So basicly, The CoC is a Hero and always been a Hero. It was his destiny to help Martin and defeat Dagon. It was him who stopped the Oblivion Crisis, not Martin. Martin, sadly to say, was just a tool to used to stop it except the 'tool broke' after being used.
That's just a matter of perspective. During the final Oblivion battle, I felt like Martin's tool. Someone to distract the daedric horde, while he saved the day. Still, CoC is certainly a hero.
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