Confessions. : Othor Games

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:35 am

Eugenics: Carriers of inherited diseases will be sterilized

Well, I'm sure that is against human rights. But there should be organizations that "care" for people with inherited diseases.
I think increasing funding for hereditary diseases would be a better goal, I don't see how most hereditary diseases are hurting society anyway.

Animal rights will be improved, and animal cruelty will be comparable to human assaults and murder. State-controlled animal rights organizations will be founded.

I can't agree on that. I don't see why that should be necessary in any way.
People who are unnecesarrily cruel to animals should be placed on a watch list at the least, not only because cruelty against animals is wrong, but also because it shows a preference for violence (I do know this isn't always the case, but it never hurts to keep an eye out)

Lifting of ethical restrictions on sciences, especially biology. Class C convicts, and "paroled" death penalty convicts will be used for human experimentation if necessary. The fact is, the more we screw ethics the faster we cure diseases. I can sacrifice ten rapists to save a millions of cancer patients.

If you mean "will be used for human experimentation", I would only allow it if it is really necessary and only if he/her stay unharmed. But I would of course allow scientists to study on stem cells.
I wouldn't want to put anyone through excessive suffering/torture, but if they are on death row and the drug has positive results on animal test subjects then it might be a viable way of introducing new cures.

Eventual ban on alcohol and tobacco. Zero tolerance on all drugs (except medical, of course). The Ministry of Enlightenment will make sure people will want to eat their own vomit rather than enjoy a cigarette.

I would raise the taxes for alcohol & tobacco (if it contains more than a certain percentage of alcohol, I mean wine should be okay). The problem is the people would just buy it somewhere else and when my country can make money (taxes) out of it, it benefits all.
It depends on whether you would want to compromise values for money, I do tink it would be too harsh to try and ban alcohol, but maybe introducing messages about the dangers of smoking into the education system?, I'm not sure alcohol would need to be banned, plenty of people drink alcohol and contribute to society.

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:10 am

Goodnight Jerhicco, from a half aboriginal man living in a small country town.

You're one of the people I like :goodjob:

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:32 pm

You're one of the people I like :goodjob:

Personally, I hate people like me, damn layabout stay at home Dads. Should go out to the Uranium mines and put some hair on their chest

» Sun May 13, 2012 6:06 am

Eugenics: Carriers of inherited diseases will be sterilized

Well, I'm sure that is against human rights. But there should be organizations that "care" for people with inherited diseases.
I think increasing funding for hereditary diseases would be a better goal, I don't see how most hereditary diseases are hurting society anyway.
Because they drain resources that could be better used elsewhere, naturally people with genetic disorders would be ignored and shunned by society, thus no one mated with them stemming their weak genes from creating more genetically inferior people.

Animal rights will be improved, and animal cruelty will be comparable to human assaults and murder. State-controlled animal rights organizations will be founded.

I can't agree on that. I don't see why that should be necessary in any way.
People who are unnecesarrily cruel to animals should be placed on a watch list at the least, not only because cruelty against animals is wrong, but also because it shows a preference for violence (I do know this isn't always the case, but it never hurts to keep an eye out)
People that are aggressive and violent to any animal should be dealt with the same way aggressive animals are dealt with, because clearly that person has violent tendencies that can be unpredictable, making them a danger to anyone physically weaker or smaller than them.

Lifting of ethical restrictions on sciences, especially biology. Class C convicts, and "paroled" death penalty convicts will be used for human experimentation if necessary. The fact is, the more we screw ethics the faster we cure diseases. I can sacrifice ten rapists to save a millions of cancer patients.

If you mean "will be used for human experimentation", I would only allow it if it is really necessary and only if he/her stay unharmed. But I would of course allow scientists to study on stem cells.
I wouldn't want to put anyone through excessive suffering/torture, but if they are on death row and the drug has positive results on animal test subjects then it might be a viable way of introducing new cures.
I'm all for human experiementing if the subject has either 1) signed an agreement knowing the dangers. 2) If a vile murderer/rapist and even an attempted murderer I don't believe in testin animals because we are not the same as rats or monkeys, we are humans and a drug meant for a human should be used on a human for testing. The life of previously listed criminals is not worth saving.

Eventual ban on alcohol and tobacco. Zero tolerance on all drugs (except medical, of course). The Ministry of Enlightenment will make sure people will want to eat their own vomit rather than enjoy a cigarette.

I would raise the taxes for alcohol & tobacco (if it contains more than a certain percentage of alcohol, I mean wine should be okay). The problem is the people would just buy it somewhere else and when my country can make money (taxes) out of it, it benefits all.
It depends on whether you would want to compromise values for money, I do tink it would be too harsh to try and ban alcohol, but maybe introducing messages about the dangers of smoking into the education system?, I'm not sure alcohol would need to be banned, plenty of people drink alcohol and contribute to society.
I'd have zero-tolerance on all drug, except alcohol and medical, from smoking to Class-A drugs would all be banned or so heavily taxed you couldn't afford them. I include smoking because of the damage it cause to not only the user but the people that pass it and how easily accessed it is by everyone. Alcohol would no longer be served in stores and only available in pubs and clubs, this is to cut back on all the alcohol dependant scroungers.

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:57 am

Another question, what would be the penalty for manslaughter via incompetence? ie. doctors that grossly misdiagnose patients, would they be downgradded or just banne from medicine?

Accident is accident.
In my nation what matters is WHY not the WHAT.

Doctors that misdiagnose will be dismissed, as they should be in our real world. No need for downgrades, just find a new job that doesn't involve deciding over peoples' lives.

Do you know the story of the prince who wanted to make everyone happy and increase the happiness for the biggest group of people?

You raise very good points. My policies will need some revisions. I was so pissed off to have my post accidentally removed that my points entered existence in a less refined form. Consider the policies you questioned revoked.
I'll need to redefine my more controversial topics raised by you guys, and I agree they were very sloppily implied. They represent the more fresh part of the ideology.
I do however maintain my position on eugenics. Though I have not very thoroughly studied eugenics (yet) I for now consider it a good choice.

As for bans on tobacco and the like, my goal is not reaping tons of money for my treasury. My goal is to improve humanity as a whole, and intoxicants are in the way of that. Alcohol may be a good source of money but it kills thousands each year, destroys citizens' health and causes general problems including problems with controlling the population.

Likewise I support human experimentation because it serves better goals in the end. I'm not talking about crazy Mengele stuff, but as unfortunate as it is things like Unit 731 contributed a great deal to human anatomical studies, and to a lesser extend medicine. As for human rights violations on convicts - well - I don't give a flying [censored] about a criminal's rights. If someone goes so low that he is branded Class C he is an utterly worthless individual who is of no use to the society. His body, however, we can use, for labor and experiment.

» Sun May 13, 2012 4:22 am

I say that because I've had to put up with crap from people who willing send their child to a religious school, then proceed to complain when their child recieves a religious education. I've had to deal with rubbish like claims of "indoctrination" and "forcing religioun down children's throats" from morons who obviously didnt stop to think about the implications of what they were doing.

My mother didn't complain, so that doesn't hold. I complain because now that I'm older I can judge my own situation better. Claims about indoctrination aren't rubbish considering that it's a strong selling point of religion (well, not selling point, it's kinda like you're forced to buy the stuff. :tongue:

).

Its the equivalent of me going into a KFC for lunch and complaining they sell chicken. its completely ludicrous and idiotic. If you as a child were so anti-religious that you couldn't stand being in that school, then you should've made the effort then to convince your parents to change your school or at least engage in dialogue with the school over ciriculum concerns.. Dont come out of it claiming the "evil" catholics brainwashed poor little TESFanner.

It wasn't that big of an issue, but there is no way you can tell me that forcing someone to attend mass is right. We had very few people from other religions (very rarely, there was one Muslim) and he had the choice not to attend. Other religions are Ok, not following any isn't.

I wasn't brainwashed, thankfully. I'm smart enough to make my own choices. The only 'evil catholics' are the ones with the power of authority who force it on others. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084696/Pope-Benedict-XVI-Gay-marriage-threat-humanity.html. I don't actually consider him evil obviously, I just consider him very ignorant.

As for bans on tobacco and the like, my goal is not reaping tons of money for my treasury. My goal is to improve humanity as a whole, and intoxicants are in the way of that. Alcohol may be a good source of money but it kills thousands each year, destroys citizens' health and causes general problems including problems with controlling the population.

So freedom of expression doesn't feature in your society?

What if I want to smoke and drink?

» Sat May 12, 2012 10:55 pm

As for bans on tobacco and the like, my goal is not reaping tons of money for my treasury. My goal is to improve humanity as a whole, and intoxicants are in the way of that. Alcohol may be a good source of money but it kills thousands each year, destroys citizens' health and causes general problems including problems with controlling the population.

I'd agree on tobacco, or at least banning smoking in public.

but I think alcohol is easy enough to moderate to not need to be banned, and it would be almost impossible to enforce wihout the punishment not matching the crime (see the Prohibition Era)

@TESFanner, I respect you making decisions for yourself. I've always been a supporter of independent investigation of the truth.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd this is probably a good time for a lock, this thread has broken almost every rule in the book :tongue:

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:59 pm

I'd agree on tobacco, but I think alcohol is easy enough to moderate to not need to be banned, and it would be almost impossible to enforce wihout the punishment not matching the crime (see the Prohibition Era)

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd this is probably a good time for a lock, this thread has broken almost every rule in the book :tongue:

And my semi-political/logical question I wanted to discuss based on the history of that certain man who made the qoute, got locked in 10 seconds flat.

Btw this thread just got 20% more political.

You are *insert verb here* like a boss, if you get the references in this post.

» Sun May 13, 2012 2:19 pm

Are all the mods alseep?

Guess it's a good time to announce that [person I don't like] and his/her [communist/fascist] agenda is ruining my country. I demand [change/ for things to go back to how they were]!

This is why I support [sterilizing / euthanizing / imprisoning] people I've never seen, don't understand, don't empathize with, and who I feel that society doesn't need.

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:30 am

Me? All I want is world peace...and to see pigs fly...and unicorns peacefully grazing in the fields, with Keebler elves attending to their every need...and online videos that don't jitter. That is my confession.

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:39 pm

My civilization would be purely capitalistic. The economy would be based off of supply and demand only. Any government intervention would result in imprisonment for the politician for violating the constitution. Any government intervention would be in the case of when a third party is affected. As you can see, our societies relationship would probably be similiar to the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. It would also be illegal to call people intolorant because the act of calling people intolorant is in fact intolorant. Government aid would be unconstitutional.

I go to a strict Christian, conservative school. I hate it with a passion due to nazi like rules ( being out of chapel uniform will get a free dress day taken away, and a cell phone in a class room results in four days of detention, a girl got expelled for bringing alchohol to a party outside of school,and they punish people for what they right on facebook outside of school). They make stuff they can't back with science, and think dancing is evil. My teachers svck, half of them aren't even certified to teach.

Keep in mind that a monopol is the last thing you want in a "pure capitalistic" nation.

» Sun May 13, 2012 11:48 am

Me? All I want is world peace...and to see pigs fly...and unicorns peacefully grazing in the fields, with Keebler elves attending to their every need...and online videos that don't jitter. That is my confession.

...and to be able to ski through a revolving door; that would be wonderful.
...and did I mention http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TlNOwwQQJk

And I agree with JagerTharn12's sig.

» Sun May 13, 2012 2:38 pm

Are all the mods alseep?

Guess it's a good time to announce that [person I don't like] and his/her [communist/fascist] agenda is ruining my country. I demand [change/ for things to go back to how they were]!

This is why I support [sterilizing / euthanizing / imprisoning] people I've never seen, don't understand, don't empathize with, and who I feel that society doesn't need.

MY EYES! MY EYES!

Is there a reason for this?, I've seen the text in posts get screwed up for no reason a few times now. To clarify: I don't disagree with your post, I'm just saying it's hard to read.

...and to be able to ski through a revolving door; that would be wonderful.

Depends on how much protective gear you have on, because you could ski through the glass panes in a revolving door fairly easily.

Feel freee to quote me, if your not a real fully loaded man :tongue:

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:43 pm

My nation would not exist. I'd have like five people, we'd have a Facebook group, and dumb statuses are punishable by snoo snoo. Things would be simpler. I find our population to be the source of so many problems.

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:09 pm

My nation would not exist. I'd have like five people, we'd have a Facebook group, and dumb statuses are punishable by snoo snoo. Things would be simpler. I find our population to be the source of so many problems.

When in doubt, blame a minority.

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:27 pm

Please stop the discussion about your own nation. It's legit to qoute others to continue a discussion, but otherwise just make your confessions.

» Sun May 13, 2012 7:57 am

MY EYES! MY EYES!

Is there a reason for this?, I've seen the text in posts get screwed up for no reason a few times now. To clarify: I don't disagree with your post, I'm just saying it's hard to read.

I don't know. It's copied and pasted from MS Word. Bethesda lists its font as "font" so. . .there. You're right though; not exactly easy on the eyes.

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:16 am

I for the first time ever choose to work over eating...I have since found regret and stuffed my face with cake!

» Sun May 13, 2012 10:35 am

Please stop the discussion about your own nation. It's legit to qoute others to continue a discussion, but otherwise just make your confessions.

Saw a bunch of posts about it so I couldn't resist. Apologies for not being legit.

» Sat May 12, 2012 11:59 pm

Saw a bunch of posts about it so I couldn't resist. Apologies for not being legit.

Apologies accepted. *stuffs your face with cake*

» Sun May 13, 2012 8:03 am

Pistolero, please don't do anything crazy. We'd hate to see you in International headlines....and all along...realized we missed the red flags.

" [Insert real name] a.k.a. "Pistolero" on the American based Bethesda Game Forums.....is being held by the Finnish authorities for....."

That would be sad...don't do that to us...please?

» Sat May 12, 2012 10:08 pm

Pistolero, please don't do anything crazy. We'd hate to see you in International headlines....and all along...realized we missed the red flags.

" [Insert real name] a.k.a. "Pistolero" on the American based Bethesda Game Forums.....is being held by the Finnish authorities for....."

That would be sad...don't do that to us...please?

Nah, if I'll ever do anything drastic it's probably suicide. Which, for all I know, could happen any day. Some days it does sound indeed very tempting, but I've given myself at least 4 months of living time until I find out whether or not I get into the university I desire. If yes I live, if not then I have no reason to live. Last time I made such a gambit was three years back and then I did pass it so no one was harmed.

I suppose that's my newest confession in this thread: Constant desire to commit suicide. Yeah, my life svcks pretty hard.

» Sun May 13, 2012 12:18 am

Nah, if I'll ever do anything drastic it's probably suicide. Which, for all I know, could happen any day. Some days it does sound indeed very tempting, but I've given myself at least 4 months of living time until I find out whether or not I get into the university I desire. If yes I live, if not then I have no reason to live. Last time I made such a gambit was three years back and then I did pass it so no one was harmed.

I suppose that's my newest confession in this thread: Constant desire to commit suicide. Yeah, my life svcks pretty hard.

I, don't know what to say to that.
Except for, I've been there man, and I got through it. I hope things get better for you and things start to look up.
Life gives us ups and downs

» Sun May 13, 2012 3:52 am

I, don't know what to say to that.
Except for, I've been there man, and I got through it. I hope things get better for you and things start to look up.
Life gives us ups and downs :smile:

Appreciate the sympathy but this game is lost, lost a long time ago.
I used to be pretty pissed, when during the worst times of my long list of mental conditions, but I've come to accept it and I don't feel bad about it. Quoting Nineteen Eighty-Four : "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself."

» Sun May 13, 2012 1:48 pm

"The confessions of a serial thread locker" *click*