Yea, but its not as easy as "get a pc". Not everyone has the money. Or if they have the money, they might not have internet, as in my case. I have a pc. Unfortunately, i dont have internet access to it.

You can't unless you live in the USA. $400 converted into UK money might not even buy you an Xbox over here

Seriously, can you get a gaming machine for $400 in the USA? Thats cheap, very, very cheap...

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Everyone knows PC gaming is dead, so just let us have the CK as a dying wish

Not sure how it is in the UK, but, yes you can build a pc that can run Skyrim for $400 in the US.

Although I wouldn't say its the best gaming rig.

These are my specs:
AMD Phenom quad core 2.4 GHz
8gig DDR3 Ram
Nvidia 9800 1gig Vram
Running Win 7 64-bit

Edit: Also note: I already had a monitor, and I only have a 650gig HDD.

If PC gaming is dead, it must be a freaking zombie because it's been declared "dead" for a while now.

Yet it's still moving and stuff.

To people who have this game on Xbox 360 or PS3 but wants modding... Sorry, but when you choose cheaper and more streamlined hardware to play this game, you should've realized that the price and streamline (no installation/driver update/ etc.) came at the price of being closed gaming environment, meaning you only have access to what the company provides. The reason gaming on Xbox 360/PS3 is so easy and cheap is because things like modding are out of question and Sony/Microsoft can better control the gaming environment through limited hardware anyway.

This I believe. As a console player myself, nothing irks me than the "casual" console player. I can see the same being true for PC players and "elitists."

Wow, why would casual players irk you? Elitist I can understand because they look down on anyone not "on their level", but I have never heard of casual players looking down on anyone.

I play on a console, but I agree with your sentiment. However, I think there is a better chance to undo the damage by convincing the game developers that there are enough console players who are serious enough about their games than there is getting significant numbers of console players to switch to PC. I am sure I will get a gaming PC one of these days just for the mods (EDIT: The day they get Andoron up and running I am buying a PC and hiring some smart kid to get it up and running and modded for me. Holy crap, Andoron looks amazing), but I am probably in the minority on that when it comes to console players. I don't think, however, I am in the minority when it comes to wanting more sophisticated options to fine tune the game. As a PC user said above, not all console players are 12 and we don't all want to follow the magical quest arrow everywhere.

Casual players irk me to no end because the game developers cater to them and the console versions end up being fit to the lowest common denominator with no thought of including options for serious RPGers. For instance, console players get no option to turn off sneak crosshair, no option to turn off compass icons or compass itself, no option to turn off auto health or magicka regen, no option to affect sneak difficulty, no option to affect the number of monster spawns or the difficulty of monster spawns, etc. etc. There are a multitude of things that can easily be done on a PC and could have been easily included in the console version as an options menu but Bethesda did not even think to do it because they seem to think all console players want to do is follow the magical quest arrow. At least Bethesda gave us the option to turn that thing off, but without proper directions in the game world to complete quests.

As a console player, I get irked just as much by the "watering down" of the series as any PC user.

How much money do you even make to even say $400 is cheap?

I'm sorry but its been that way for the last two games - both Oblivion and Morrowind came with a Constuction Set - bethesda know that the modding community is pretty big and they arn't the only company to activlly promote modding of games.

Also DLC will never be free on the 360 - i seem to remember Valve getting annoyed with them as they really wanted to release some free DLC for Team Fortress two but MS refused to put it on the marketplace for free and required a charge for it. Now Valve seem to love the PS3 as Sony allowed them to enable steamworks for Portal 2 so they can push stuff like DLC easier.

$400 is pretty cheap. Especially when you consider all you get out of owning a decent PC. Compare a $400 PC to a console, the PC is useful for so much more than the console are. Especially when launch day it cost $600 to buy what amounts to an electric money pit. Consoles are like a kindle. Great if you want too keep spending money so you have reason to use it. I look at console players as elitist, you all have money to burn evidently. Either that or you just do what I do and only turn on your console when you want to watch a movie. I owened a 360 and I currently have a PS3. I can afford to game on one, but I refuse to be nickle and dimed. My PC gives my so much legal and free or dirt cheap entertainment that I couldn't justify the cost of gaming on a console. The only cheap entertainment I get from my PS3 is watching movies and firmware updates

Seems to me that PCs and Consoles are pretty equal in operating costs. PCs you need to upgrade to buy new games, consoles you need to buy new ones to play new games.

http://kotaku.com/5884842/wait-it-costs-40000-to-patch-a-console-game


There's your answer.

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And I'm sure you get an awful lot out of that $400. I know my PC has more than paid for itself several times over in savings on steam sales and no longer needing cable TV. Plus I needed it for work any way.

We've said it before and we'll say it again, we'd love to do modding on consoles. Right now there's just some barriers that don't make it possible. And there's no way we'd want to remove the modding option for our PC audience... it's very important to us.

As far as the Creation Kit vs. DLC argument, we're planning compelling DLC content for all three platforms, so it's not really a vs. We're simply able to provide modding to the PC audience as an added feature.

I do get a lot out of it, and it's surprisingly powerful, I have yet to find a game I wanted to play on it but couldn't because of low end hardware. But not everyone can build their own PC or even operate one well, so consoles are still an important alternative.

Also, I love steam sales, and the indie bundles, so many great games that even I can afford on a tight budget.

Same. I was unemployed and poor when I got my PC. Did it bit by bit over a few months and put it togther. It wasn`t high end and I didn`t need to upgrad every two years. I simply added stuff as needed for what I wanted.

The beauty of a desktop PC (NOT LAPTOP) is that you can upgrade it bit by bit over years and end up with a pretty good system and it not only plays games, but does everything else inbetween.

Being poor I had NO TV (how poor is that), i bought a cheap TV card installed into the PC and voila! Television with more channels than my neighbours. I even got DVD\RW\etc play ability doing more stuff than those expensive things they sell you instores.

Heck, my PC did everything before I even bothered getting back into work again. It`s also my work PC for my art as well. Really don`t know what i`d do without it.

It`s wrong to say you can`t afford a PC unless you live in the poor parts of Africa or India or East europe, but if you live in the West, it`s affordable if you are willing to listen and learn!

Hope rides in...
http://kotaku.com/5885983/bethesda-skyrim-dlc-will-feel-more-like-expansion-packs/
Free dlc in between...

Loooooooool! Typical Occupy Wallstreet mentality. I want it for free! Rich people don't deserve their money! Share the wealth!

I take a view contrary to some posters here, not only am I happy to pay for a DLC, but I would also be happy to pay for Mods.

A mod is something that enhances my game experience, it provides me with more pleasure. Therefore, like the base game, it has a value to me and, like the base game, it has been created by someone using their talent and time. I would be quite happy to pay a contribution towards rewarding them for making something that gives me enjoyment. $2 for a mod doesn't seem excessive to me, I suggest that there are very few players who could not afford such a sum and the potential rewards to the creator would be sufficient (I see one of the mods I am using has nearly 33,000 subscribers) to encourage them to produce very high quality products in a very competitive market.

The price of a DLC is somewhat more ambiguous, is $12.99 a reasonable price. Well, that depends on how much extra pleasure one gets from it. If it provides at least 13 hours extra game play I'd say yes, without a doubt (good entertainment for a buck an hour, tops, is cheap). If its less time than that then more subjective factors come into play. However, the price is a marketing decision for the Company. What I don't think is reasonable is to expect people to give their time and talent for nothing and so a company must make money to pay their people.

A poster suggests that we deserve DLC for free. What have we done to deserve it? We paid a price for a product, which, for most of us, has given us a lot of very good and very cheap entertainment. So how do we "deserve" more for nothing?

I argue that 2 dollars is a bit much for many mods, and there would need to be a way to test them before buying. I think Modders should have a donation system, many people including me would donate a few bucks for the good mods. But, there is no way I'm paying 2 bucks a mod, I mean I used around 50 or so mods for Oblivion, 100 bucks for around the same amount of content as a good DLC? No, thanks.

I still disagree that we are entitled to free DLC, and we should be donating money to the good modders, though.

Well, at least it's affordable if you can afford an xbox.

Most consoles are sold at prices below their value, similar to many printers. They don't make money selling the device, so that it seems cheaper to the end customer. But guess what, they still want to make money. So they just get it in a different way. In the end, it has to be more expensive, because you have one additional company who wants a slice of the cake.

Thanks for your input, Gstaff.

PC gaming is dead? I point to the poll above that has PC voted as the desired platform for Skyrim. I also point to the many games that PC has that are a huge success over any thing the consoles can claim to have. A bias opinion is just that, a bias opinion.

Also as a FYI modding, is the soul reason PC gaming is still alive and doing well