How so? Two-handed weapons have disadvantages for using them over One-handed weapons in the same fashion that Crossbows have over Bows, it is very much comparable. The only reason Crossbows don't have their own skill tree is because the devs don't want to change the max level, and adding a skill tree for one weapon type would be going back to what Oblivion's skills were, which I highly doubt the devs want.

A crossbow is quite comparable to a Two-Handed weapon being that it's much heavier in it's use. It does more damage, similar to two-handed weapons, and it's slower in the sense that after you shoot it, you're left wide open for attacks while performing a slow reload animation. It even staggers often, similar to two-handed weapons.

A bow is quite comparable to a One-Handed weapon being that it's much lighter in it's use. It does less damage, similar to one-handed weapons, and it's quicker in the sense that you can knock an arrow much faster than a crossbow reloads, you can choose WHEN to knock your arrow, and you can even launch said arrow prematurely for some quicker damage to get that last sliver of health.

How can you not justify higher crossbow damage for the disadvantages that it has? I'd really love to know what exactly you guys want crossbows to be....lower damage than bows? What would be the point of using them, then, if they're lower damage than bows AND slower than them, honestly?

Thats true but you need to invest either 10 levels into magica or 3 perks into novice,adept conjuration and mystic binding to get a Bow that is 4 dmg higher than the lowest crossbow you get for free without any prior investment and its lasts only 2 minutes while the crossbow is there the whole time. I guess the deadric arrows will have some more impact here but bolts are that far behind and can have additional element dmg that makes them better than bound arrows when achieved. Forgetting that with only 1 perk invest in smithing you can up your steel bow and maybe bolts considerably.

I said you can cast Bound Bow at level 1, you don't need to invest into magicka or those perks at all. Food or the Atronach Stone will do the trick. A Bound Bow at that level with Mystic Binding (You can get your first perk at level 2) will beat a Crossbow at level 2 with Steel Smithing perk. Not to mention I'd question the logic behind getting either of them at level 1 or 2 and then complaining that they're too overpowered for that level, it would be nobody's fault but your own. The game gives you options to be overpowered at low levels, it would be nobody's fault but your own for taking advantage of those options.

(This following statement goes out to everyone, not you, DieBySword) Not to mention, both are entirely different weapons. You guys keep comparing crossbows to bows, but they have different advantages and disadvantages that everyone claiming them to be "overpowered" keep IGNORING. It's like all you people see is the number next to the "Damage" text and basing your arguments off that alone.

I don't want to go off-topic with this, please.

This all day long.

But you need several levels in Conjuration before this spell will even appear in the game. Even playing as a Breton focusing purely on Conjuration you will level up before this spell appears. You would also need substantial gear (at least to a level 1 character) just to get it off with 100/150 base Magicka and no perks.

As a Khajiit, as you claimed, you would have at the most 20 Conjuration at level 1 and 25 Conjuration at level 2. That is assuming nothing else levels up. Correct me if I'm wrong but Bound Bow doesn't even appear at that level of Conjuration. You need at least 40 Conjuration before Bound Bow shows up in vendors.

So let's just be honest, you're lying.


By 'this' you mean the nonsensical ramblings of a hypocrite? He thinks I'm trying to impose what I think should be in the game on everyone else when that is ALL he does in every single one his posts and in this very thread no less. This account would be banned if very quickly if I continued to acknowledge this guys existence.

Merari in a nutshell:-
I WANT THIS OPTIONAL FEATURE IN THE GAME AND IT SHOULD BE IN THE GAME FREEDOM IS A HALLMARK OF THE ELDER SCROLLS
I DONT WANT THIS OPTIONAL FEATURE IN THE GAME STOP TRYING TO MAKE THE GAME NON ELDER SCROLLS AND WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE YOU CANT TAKE OUR FREEDOM

Perhaps I'm not the only one around here who notices that, explains why most of his posts go ignored by other users.


If people bothered to actually read my posts you would know that all I'm asking for are low tier Crossbows so that there is some sort of progression rather than jumping in the deep end with a weapon on the same tier as Dragonbone weaponry.

In general the disadvantages Crossbows have arn't large enough to offset their advantages over a bow.

You can get it at level 1. Not sure how many times I need to state this, especially considering it's going very off-topic now. Thread's nearing it's post limit, anyway.

Its an optional DLC that adds a few new goodies and some powerful weapons to a 8 month old game. The crossbows are not in the vanilla game...they come with a 20.00 price tag. I paid for the right to use this "overpowered weapon" and I actually get offended when other players try to [censored] up someone elses fun because they are so uber they need "challenges". Get a grip .

Exactly. Why in gods name would you pay for new weapons that are terrible? I just got the cross bow, and i still use my dwarven bow. The cross bow does a whole 7 more damage.....omg....mind = blown....get a grip people.

Look, at the end of the day, there is more than enough evidence in this thread to show that the weapon is not overpowered outside early levels. More to the point it's in a DLC which isn't meant for lower level characters, so if a player knowingly jumps the gun to go and get it whose fault is that?

You agree with me then say the player is to fault for the game lacking low end Crossbows?

And yea, this DLC is easily tackled by low level characters. Infact I would argue that it's easier at lower levels up to a point due to scaling.

No, i say we were told that the DLC was meant for characters of level 10 upwards. That implies any gear gained from the DLC before that level will be strong compared to everything else. Simple logic. What would be the point of putting in sub-par weapons and armour?

It's like gaining daedric weapons as early as possible, then whinging about how it's making you destroy everything. Daedric weapons are powerful, so are crossbows. What a twist!

I'm not asking them to remove or even tone down any current items, I want the addition of low end Crossbows.

Daedric weapons are tiers, Crossbow is a weapon type so it isn't the same thing. You can go Iron -> Steel -> etc but you go from high end Crossbow -> extreme high end Crossbow. I just want more stages before that like a Wooden Crossbow or something.

the only other tier would be iron. And that will never happen.

But that's the thing, crossbows ARE powerful weapons, big damage, slow hitters, just like 2-handers. I can see how the fast reload perk would make them too strong, maybe that shouldn't apply to crossbows?

Don't get me wrong though, for all my bluster so far, I wouldn't be opposed to a weaker crossbow being added in for those who want it - variety is the spice of life after all, and that would be the fairest thing all ways round. It'd certainly be better than a nerf!

There's an idea, a nerf crossbow that fell through a dimensional tear from our world to nirn

Actually, there is a certain place where you can find it's spell tome, even at level 1.

Crossbows are fun and seem powerful but there not to good in sticky situations or versing enemies charging at you. You could lay like 3 arrows into a bandit before he reaches you and still have time to pull out your sword with a bow. But with a crossbow you could lay 2 shots before having the bandit already in your face, same damage as the bow but depends on what style of play you want.

@asgard


And? It's not like your compelled to go to Fort Dawnguard at the earliest opportunity to get one. Nor are you forced to use or keep one.


And? It's a crossbow, if it's not hitting harder or faster than a bow then it's completely failing it's primary and intended purpose.


...It's a crossbow and it's supposed to hit harder, and faster, than a bow. There IS going to be a mighty hefty transfer of kinetic energy and force you know.


Do you have ANY idea to the purpose of a crossbow? At all? You clearly don't otherwise you would be stating the factually obvious and COMPLAINING about it.


No, they don't. They're already slower to reload and fire than bows by a lot. On my last character (level-50 demi-god, piss poor archery skills) most fights with a crossbow only saw me firing 1-3 bolts before I had to switch to melee to avoid getting a really messy root canol.


They should be actually. You can pick up a crossbow and easily learn how to use it and become familiar with it within a week, one week. On the other hand it takes years to use a bow proficiently and even then not everyone is built to use them effectively.

Everything is only as strong as you craft it to be.. so I'm lost as to it being 'op'.

I know its been said before but I can hardly say there has been enough arguement against it. OP doesn't really exist in single player. How you go and carry out your character will lead to the after result. I agree the crossbow is stronger but is it something that would force me to cry foul and say its OP (in a single-player game) and have me walk around like I'm an all-powerful lord is far beyond me.

Also the whole arguement of realism is pointless in a video game. Otherwise the heavy armor characters and enemies would move no-where near as fast as they do in Skyrim. Two handed weapons would be largely ineffective against a well trained and nimble group of One-handed users. Players would be greatly restrained as to what they could carry and how much they can carry (being able to carry 2-5 sets of armor + what you are wearing and still be ok and be able to run at the top speed your armor allows you is not realistic).

Bethesda never inteded for certain things in their games to ever be realistic.

If you still wanna cry about the easy access of the weapon, the simple thing to do is to not do it or go for it until you feel it is appropriate. Its a DLC not a mandatory pathway or addition to the MQ or any side quest already in the game. If you feel you need to do it at lv 10, do it. If you feel you need to do it at 85, do it. If you don't; don't do it.

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