Crossbows obscenely overpowered? : V - Skyrim

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:27 am

My main issue with the crossbow is that it's available so soon, unlike the dragonbone weapons. I'd like to use the damn weapon, but I don't want to break my game, nor do I want to delay using it until I'm high level.

Guess I'll have to wait for the pc version and mods.

Good luck, i highly doubt there will be a mod to make the weapon worse. Its already been stated that the weapon is close to mid range, versus the bow being mid to very long range. so its good that it is available early on, because it givers archers a close range weapon instead of relying on one handed weapons.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:01 pm

Good luck, i highly doubt there will be a mod to make the weapon worse. Its already been stated that the weapon is close to mid range, versus the bow being mid to very long range. so its good that it is available early on, because it givers archers a close range weapon instead of relying on one handed weapons.

Still haven't seen any source that confirms that. Wikia doesn't mention that (only mentions that crossbows are less accurate than bows). What, do the bolts just do zero damage past a certain range? I haven't noticed any issues with range.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:41 pm

If this was a online multiplayer, then maybe ... since its not its your own choise to use it or not .. to upgrade it or not... you dont have to get any of the upgrades or use a crossbow for that matter so i dont really understand why you are complaining that its OP ... Its what you do with it that makes it so,... its in your hands.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:17 pm

Still haven't seen any source that confirms that. Wikia doesn't mention that (only mentions that crossbows are less accurate than bows). What, do the bolts just do zero damage past a certain range? I haven't noticed any issues with range.

they drop much quicker, if a saber cat is say 100 feet away, with a bow, i can aim right at the thing, and hit it spot on, with a cross bow i have to aim a good foot or 2 above the damn thing. And like I said, I dont need a source, its a well known fact, jus tas sure as gravity is.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:18 pm

they drop much quicker, if a saber cat is say 100 feet away, with a bow, i can aim right at the thing, and hit it spot on, with a cross bow i have to aim a good foot or 2 above the damn thing. And like I said, I dont need a source, its a well known fact, jus tas sure as gravity is.

That's very different from "crossbows don't have as long a range as bows". And you have to adjust your aim with a bow at very long ranges as well, and at short ranges too so the shot doesn't go over the target's head. Besides, compensating for the dropoff is pathetically easy with the crossbow at any range, so it's not much of a con (in fact, I think it's a pro as it's more realistic and fun).

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:01 am

Dont like it=Dont use it=Dont complain about stuff that others like just fine

true...skyrim is full of whining milk drinkers.

you can't break a single player game where theres freedom of choice to play how you want. If you reluctantly use a stronger weapon for fear of being killed then you're playing wrong.

I only wear 1 piece of armor and its steel nord gauntlets, use a skyforge steel battleaxe for battle and now zephyr for hunting...i have the option to be an armored tank with dragon weapons but i CHOOSE not to.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:24 am

and another thing. i dont know why anyone would complain, they arent over powered. they do more damage yes but would you want the dlc to add new weak weapons? of course not. and i dont see you complaining about the dragonbone bow that does more damage then daedric and shoots much faster. possibly more dmg per second then the dwarven xbow.

Don't worry,in that case the dude would have opened a thread moaning about the crossbows being too underpowered...

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:09 pm

They are a bit overly strong..it lead to people expecting the Dawnguard armor to be better than daedric and dragonbone armor since the Crossbows are better than the dragonbone/daedric bows which wasn't the case.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:58 am

true...skyrim is full of whining milk drinkers.

you can't break a single player game where theres freedom of choice to play how you want. If you reluctantly use a stronger weapon for fear of being killed then you're playing wrong.

I only wear 1 piece of armor and its steel nord gauntlets, use a skyforge steel battleaxe for battle and now zephyr for hunting...i have the option to be an armored tank with dragon weapons but i CHOOSE not to.

If theres freedom of choice to play how you want then people should be able to play with crossbows that aren't overpowered, instead of being forced not to use them.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:21 pm

If theres freedom of choice to play how you want then people should be able to play with crossbows that aren't overpowered, instead of being forced not to use them.

Orbital Facepalm of Divine Condemnation...dont put points into Archery or dont upgrade the CB...there are many ways to be pathetic with a weapon in the game...better yet aim for the knee every time
I dont think you understand how weapons work...they are meant for KILLING things not slightly harming them. If yu are really this absurd then turn up the difficulty

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:05 am

Heck - I can't wait for the Fire Bolts!

The crossbow is only as powerful as you make it. At around 100 damage, that, imho, isn't OP. But buff that svcker and with perks, yeah, you can one shot a whole lot. However, think about that - in many situations, having the advantage of position and stealth - you should have the most probable chance of taking out an enemy with one shot.... I don't mind, but it can get boring. So I often opt to just go melee.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:58 pm

I don't understand how anything in this type of game is "overpowered". If you don't like it why the heck would you use it?

Seriously, if something is "overpowered" in Skyrim you have the option to not use it.

Battlefield or COD have weapons that are occasionally OP. That is because people exploit it!

Balance affects gameplay even in a single player game which is why some people want the game to have better balance. You may have fun playing a game that offers no challenge but I do not.

Some people want to be able to use all features of Skyrim without the game becoming a cakewalk. Personally I really want to be able to use Smithing and Enchanting but if I do the game gets stuck on Novice difficulty. It's the same deal with Crossbows.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:20 am

Bad players have the option of playing on novice and making everything easier. Good players that like to be challenged have no recourse when even master difficulty becomes trivialized due to poorly balanced mechanics and items. I WANT to use the crossbow as early as possible, but I can't, because it would completely trivialize the content due to BGS being lazy and not making tiered crossbows like every other weapon in the game.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:22 am

Bad players have the option of playing on novice and making everything easier. Good players that like to be challenged have no recourse when even master difficulty becomes trivialized due to poorly balanced mechanics and items. I WANT to use the crossbow as early as possible, but I can't, because it would completely trivialize the content due to BGS being lazy and not making tiered crossbows like every other weapon in the game.

Have you ever seen a real CB and compared it to a Bow? It is supposed to be superior which is why it is the next step in the evolution of ranged combat before guns. And good players can play on Novice and Bad players can (attempt) play on Master, the CB is fine the way it is and there is plenty of ways to hold back

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:17 pm

Don't waste your time drake malice...he want his puppy :tongue:

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:56 am

Don't waste your time drake malice...he want his puppy :tongue:

You are right...i guess i just dont understand people and their need to get their ass kicked willingly

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:39 am

Bad players have the option of playing on novice and making everything easier. Good players that like to be challenged have no recourse when even master difficulty becomes trivialized due to poorly balanced mechanics and items. I WANT to use the crossbow as early as possible, but I can't, because it would completely trivialize the content due to BGS being lazy and not making tiered crossbows like every other weapon in the game.

CrossBow
Enhanced CrossBow
Dwarven CrossBow
Enhanced Dwarven CrossBow
Theres you're tier. You can use the basic steel crossbow with regular bolts. No one is forcing to to upgrade ,so what the hell are you on about?

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:53 pm

CrossBow
Enhanced CrossBow
Dwarven CrossBow
Enhanced Dwarven CrossBow
Theres you're tier. You can use the basic steel crossbow with regular bolts. No one is forcing to to upgrade ,so what the hell are you on about?

The problem, if you had bothered to read the OP, is that the basic crossbow is superior to a daedric bow and yet can be obtained really early in the game.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:41 am

Have you ever seen a real CB and compared it to a Bow? It is supposed to be superior which is why it is the next step in the evolution of ranged combat before guns. And good players can play on Novice and Bad players can (attempt) play on Master, the CB is fine the way it is and there is plenty of ways to hold back

This is a game not real life, but I know what your saying. Both seem fairly balanced, if you practice with the inc arrow drop with the CB then yes it's more superior then a Daedric Bow. Me I use both to my advantage depending on situation. I don't think Beth needs to change the crossbows in any way. Nice having them back from Morrowind.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:30 pm

You are right...i guess i just dont understand people and their need to get their ass kicked willingly

As I explained in my post, a lot of people have fun by being challenged by a game. Skyrim is ridiculous in that the player has to impose so many self restrictions and rules to keep the game a challenge otherwise you simply never go close to dying.

Again some people may have fun walking around with 3000 effective health one shotting everything but others don't want that kind of stale gameplay. I try to avoid hitting god mode like the plague on my characters but doing so means I miss out on so much content and features.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:27 am

As I explained in my post, a lot of people have fun by being challenged by a game. Skyrim is ridiculous in that the player has to impose so many self restrictions and rules to keep the game a challenge otherwise you simply never go close to dying.

Again some people may have fun walking around with 3000 effective health one shotting everything but others don't want that kind of stale gameplay. I try to avoid hitting god mode like the plague on my characters but doing so means I miss out on so much content and features.

Funny thing here is that you're complaining that powergaming makes you extremely powerful.

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:40 pm

As I explained in my post, a lot of people have fun by being challenged by a game. Skyrim is ridiculous in that the player has to impose so many self restrictions and rules to keep the game a challenge otherwise you simply never go close to dying.

Again some people may have fun walking around with 3000 effective health one shotting everything but others don't want that kind of stale gameplay. I try to avoid hitting god mode like the plague on my characters but doing so means I miss out on so much content and features.

your post contradicts itself...some people want to be overpowered so the means is put there for them to do so. Others who enjoy more challenge can CHOOSE not to be overpowered and can raise the difficulty level and avoid certain perks.

You don't want an overpowered crossbow? Don't upgrade it and don't spend perk points on archery damage...simple. You can use your weak crossbow and others can enjoy a maxed out overpowered crossbow, everybody wins

Blame beth for not fixing bugs, don't blame them for giving you the CHOICE to be overpowered or underpowered...thats 1 of the things that makes these games great

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:31 pm

I think the crossbow vs. bow argument is a lot like sword vs. mace. Yes the mace is more powerful but the sword is faster so they are basically equal. Crossbows are more powerful but bows are faster and have longer range so it's the same thing.

I am really sick of people complaining about things that are fine the way they are especially when they have no argument and make no points at all. "The Pope banned crossbows because they were too powerful." Really? I wasn't aware this was real life and the Pope controlled Skyrim.

no one is forcing you to use the crossbow so stop complaining!

» Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:56 pm

The problem, if you had bothered to read the OP, is that the basic crossbow is superior to a daedric bow and yet can be obtained really early in the game.

And the problem is what? Its up to you if you want to obtain the crossbow early...no ones forcing you to join the Dawnguard at level 10. Its your choice. Im level 33 on my current character and just got the enhanced Dwarven Bow.
Just because its there doesn't mean you have to use it .Learn some damn self control.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:06 am

And the problem is what? Its up to you if you want to obtain the crossbow early...no ones forcing you to join the Dawnguard at level 10. Its your choice. Im level 33 on my current character and just got the enhanced Dwarven Bow.
Just because its there doesn't mean you have to use it .Learn some damn self control.

I guess in this day and age, no one learns self control they want everything handed to them.