That area just has those 2 frost trolls so their is nothing I can really think of that would ever make em say that.. :confused:

What Todd says and what Todd does very seldom meet.

I certainly wouldn't mind a Cyrodiil expansion pack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8UmVUXpfEE


there you go ...
look for yourself @ 2:45

I was looking at this http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/gallery_files/HighRockSmart.jpg and I looked at the city in the top right corner.. I compared it to the location where I think the mysterious cave entrance is and it happened to align.. So saying this cave will lead you to the heart of a city..

iirc Nerevarine went to akavir and (most likely) died (considering the tassac's dislike of other races). and atmora is a frozen wasteland that most known races cant survive (nords left because they were finding it harder and harder to survive in, and it has only gotten worse)



i say bethesda say good reddince to thsoe people who wont buy a game because it does not look like lotr, those games do get boring after awhile (and now, TES must visit a province that looks different since all the boring places were used up )

That will never, ever happen. Not only are remakes generally far too costly and time consuming for the benefit they provide, but Daggerfall was entirely randomly generated and HUGE. You cannot have that scale or gameplay mechanics on the engine Bethesda use today. I bet he'd like to do that, but liking and doing are completely different.

Daggerfell can't be to big.. It's High Rock which is small and a small slice of Hammerfell.. Also the World Creators have been mysteriously working on something for a long time.. Like about 8 months they have not been doing a thing..

You've obviously never played Daggerfall.

It's pretty much entirely randomly generated. The areas in quests are random, as you explore the wilderness is random, the dungeon layouts are random etc. You cannot make a game like that on the current engine.

Creating a DLC/Expansion inside a small part of Hammerfell is plausible. Re-creating Daggerfall is impossible. Due to the random nature of it it is absolutely GIGANTIC.

And world creators being busy? They've been working on Skyrim for the last 8 months :rolleyes:

No not the rest of the team.. The World Creators have been done for like ever.. And if they ever add High Rock it wouldn't be all randomly generated.. I would rather caves in certain spots and tress in certain spots.. Not random everywhere.. So it won't be big at all.. High Rock is like Half the size of Skyrim if you don't count all this randomely generated stuff.. Just make it whole..

I would instantly buy a remake of Daggerfall

:D

there is a path leading to high rock that also end at a rock

in fact, looking at the game map (the paper map that come with the game)
those roads are clearly shown and lead to all nearby provinces

there is also an eastern empire trading company *trade map* that show all the sea roads connecting all of tamriel provinces
it really look like morrowind style sea roads (the ship travel providers)

Thinking of it, if they would do xpack for each province, all they need to do to connect the dots is
-put a believable stone archway that would work like the cave entrance
-as you enter, the game unload skyrim and load that other province
*- for ship travel its just a matter of adding npc that offer dialogue based on what provinces you got activated

I do think they would need to load & unload whole province because of their size
but then, maybe not, and maybe that s why they kept the textures relatively small
IMO not a big deal, because they work well with anisotropic filtering

For sure, after investing into building a new engine, (just look at the number of programmers involved this time arround)
it would make sense to sell as much content as they can
and provinces would be a fast seller and could go for a profitable price

and for the fans... well ... 5 cities per province x 9 provinces = 45 cities, and then keeping the scope of skyrim,
add extra core holds (4) and villages (7) for each province
that s about 16 x 9 = 151

that s pretty much tamriel rebuilt !!!

sure, daggerfall was theoricaly larger, but once you saw a town you saw them all (except for hammerfell towns looking different)
and because of the low end 320x200 graphics, the wilderness was not as enjoyable as it could

just imagine the variety of environment from combining all 9 provinces
as well as the epic storyline that would follow
and presumably a big endgame clash with the aldmeri dominion

that is, if they don t go totaly nuts and decide to add the hole world,
places like altara, akavir and so on

I wonder ... could we buy a ship ... daggerfall style
and would they add horse combat (fighting from horseback)

anyway, skyrim already a blast !

It would be simple to get there. Just put a cart that fast travels at a certain location when you have the DLC and take that to Daggerfall or whereever

:D

they have been revisiting ever since the first game, arena , which contained all 9 provinces



Daggerfall was a follow up to Tamriel, which contained all 9 provinces.

In Daggefall (the game) they went to one extreme, hugue gigantic random world
At the same time, might and magic 6 came out, focusing on a smaller totally hand crafted world
with dragons and titans ... remind you of any recent game ..... perhaps ...

after daggerfall, bethesda went in a different direction with redguard, and battlespire, going for verry small area but much more detailled
then came morrowind, the marvel, and finally the rebound for bethesda, who had been in a bad financial situation before morrowind release

so I think they might be aiming at recreating the original tamriel, and maybe even larger than that (if they include akavir & altaria)

the remake of a partialy random world would need a new engine

Also, daggerfall wasnt random, it was generated through statistics and coerced in a specific shape. so while every iteration was random, overall it stayed the same,
and the most interesting spots were fixed. things like daggerfall city, orsinium and so on.

and daggerfall was not without defects, its main appeal were the size, total freedom, house, ship
might and magic 6 beat it to creature variety, quest variety and other stuff
and gob forbid... dragons and titans

skyrim is like the best from both elder scrolls and might and magic, in a single game



yes, dragonlance was verry unpopular because of the draconians, reptile like humanoids
you are right, black marsh would be such a flop
and morrowind couldnt sell more than a copy or two
and everyone hates cat peoples, that s why everquest never succeeded and mmorpg never took off

seriously, I m totally making fun of you

bessides, arena sold quite well and had all those provinces

oh, and final fantasy stuff ... that serie is doing so poorly

making fun of you again ....

Welcome to the club :celebration:

honestly i very much doubt its their for exanisons, though if someone can answer this question for me it could totally change my mind. Can the white tower be seen ligitly, as in NO going past invisibale walls, if it can be seen while playing liget then im going to have to say its their for immersion. however if it can't be seen enless you no-clip through the invisible barriers then the only thing i can think off is its their for a expansion OR a POSSIBLE expansion. personally i would be willing to pay 40 dollars for an expansion if it was a whole nother povince with all the detail of skyrim in it (detail as in quest, guilds, towns, ect.)

Mostly likely we'll see a Dwemer themed DLC, possibly in the past using the Elder Scroll, a DLC that takes us to the homeland of the Khaijit, a DLC that takes us to Valenwood, and lastly a DLC that takes us to Summerset Isle. That's just the feeling I get.

The Dwemer arc has been built up but didn't lead anywhere in Skyrim, so that is going to be knocked out, and if you read the literature in game, both the Khaijit and the Wood Elves are on the influence of the Thalmor. I think we'll uncover the mystery of what happened to the moons in the Khaijit homeland, and we'll do something... I don't know, something in the Wood Elves that is pretty big too, and then we'll face the Thalmor for the last time in their homeland.

That doesn't leave much room for other DLCs.

Those provinces are on the other side of Tamriel. It would make more sense to explore High Rock or Hammerfell, which are next to Skyrim.

Roads blocked I found:

North east of map: paved road from Windhelm entering Morrowind. No barriers, only a "you cannot go that way" message. According to TES Lore, that's the road to the city of Blacklight

Blocked gate in Riften: behind it there's a road leading to Stendarr Beacon and to a wooden archway. Again, the path is blocked by an invisible barrier. The road continues into Morrowind province.

South west of Helgen, there's a paved road starting out of nowhere and going into Cyrodil. There's a wooden archway closed by a door. The road possibly leads to somewhere between Bruma and Chorrol.

I tried to reach High Rock but the road took a turn and ended into a step mountain.

I still haven't found a road possibly leading to Hammerfell.

A large portion, but not all, of the provinces surrounding Skyrim have heightmap data generated for them in game. This is essentially the basic geography of the land. Some major building, specifically White-Gold Tower, are also visible. This was the case in Oblivion as well as I recall, but it wasn't to the same extent. The heightmaps in Oblivion were never built upon besides modders, however. It's mainly there for LOD.

A very significant part of the heightmap for the entire continent is in Skyrim, but probably won't be used for anything official. Modders will most likely use it for something, though. There are a couple of topics about the heightmaps hanging out over in the mod form if you want to look for them.

I bet we'll see an expansion in west Morrowind. It's blocked south by the Velothi Mountains, east by the inland sea. Two paved roads are going into Morrowind from two major Skyrim holds. I don't think they build them just for modders. Area is quite small (about one fifth of whole Skyrim) so it looks totally doable in an expansion

Morrowind (west side not previously in any game)
High Rock (long skinny land, easy to section off)
Atmora (makes sense, skyrim and all)
A oblivion dimension (endless possibilities)
Floating islands? Perfect for dragons (cool idea)
Akavir (long shot, possible next elder scrolls, lots of new material for series)

I highly doubt they will ever redo an area they've already done when there are so many other unexplored options.

If there was ever a chance of a Daggerfall remake using 3d technology from now, I'd poo a brick.

This.

Screw that, i downlloaded Morrowind yesterday (originally had it on old xbox), turns out they are just about to release a MASSIVE overhaul expansion, completly updating graphics and sound. Look into it with http://morrowindoverhaul.net/blog/ link.

Plus i agree with most, i highly doubt they will make an expansion that big, when it could easily be an entire game for them. It might just be casltes and shivering isles size. I would like to see Helgen rebuilt though. And possibly me as the Jarl.....