I think there is a lot of ambiguity to an elder scroll. And i think thats a good thing, adds some mystery to the francise. Praise Bethesda

People like me that fear what might happen to a beloved company?

I think the DLC looks great.. but personally how would you feel if in the next DLC they use ANOTHER ES? I'm not sure if you can read but it's more so about the fear they might use the ES to the point it loses it's unique-ness, like his example on the OP acting like it's a shamwow commericial.

Yes I'm aware of that, I was talking about the gap between Oblivion & Skyrim

I always thought that being widely known as the legendary dragon-born would stop gaurds from commenting on my sweet rolls.

I was under the impression that Mr. Burns is an Elder Vampire, and that this was the plot to Dawnguard all along. But this time that meddling Maggie Simpson won't stop him!

If there is a 200 year gap between oblivion and skyrim, and a 6 year gap between oblivion and morrowind, how is there a 500 year gap between morrowind and skyrim

I think if they use another E.S. immediately after this expansion, in another expansion or direct sequel, then there is room to complain.

But in this case, I would say the community should accept the E.S. in this expansion as a golden exception.

I love it, I have a problem. Elder Scroll.

If only they could give is a Spell Alter? Elder Scroll!
If only we had more daedra? Scamps? Elder Scroll!

The 500 year thing was a mistake on my part, I thought the OB/Skyrim gap was 500 years & somebody pointed out my error & I corrected it, so can we drop it & move on now please?

Is this not what the OP is about? The 'fear' Beth will make the ES a common item among dlc?

Tell that to DLC02 ;p

You're all assuming that an E.S. is actually USED during the DLC game.
Perhaps the objective is to CAPTURE said E.S. in order to effect a change beneficial to the blood svcking flying leeches. As a dawnguard, your job would then be to prevent said capture.

I can understand the concern over ES's becoming an overused plot facilitator. However, world-affecting stuff is 'relatively' common in TES series. Think about it - already in vanilla Skyrim there was an ES as well as the Eye of Magnus. Previous games had things like the Heart of Lorkhan. Thus, there are ample opportunities to introduce a "Deus Ex Machina" into any potential plot line - it simply has to be an item with Aedric or Daedric lord-level capability.

Bethesda, you need to listen to me - open up the DLC creation beyond just the toolkit you've released. You can turn it into a 'cottage' industry that will be worth BILLIONS to you. You guys have the means to practically print money and ya don't even know it......

Didn't mean to sound aggressive in my comment. In the next DLC if they had the questline revolved around another ES that would irritate me, but that's irrelevant. We're talking about the first DLC which includes an elder scroll, which I have no problem with as you barely use it in the main quest, it's 5-7 mins of usage maximum.

This. And nobody suggest... cause they dont know how , I think. That is why we are not game devs... and the game devs are where they are.

This! And all those apes in the lore section can go back to their little rule books on how vampires are not an essential part of the Elder Scrolls! Ha, karma just took a huge [censored] on them.

I think it's pretty clear the whole point is to get the ES as a vampire to block out the sun, if you're a dawngaurd you're trying to stop it.

I'm not sure if you noticed but.. "Dawn gaurd" Gauders of Dawn? Making sure darkness finds its way back to the light? You know? Dawn?

"I'm a little worried the resulting plot mechanic might end up becoming a bit.. well, paper thin." - OP

I think that's saying he's fine with this current one but is like he said "worried" about Bethesda making a habit out of using the ES as a copout. I can't speak for him as I'm not him but that's what I'm concerned about. I'm not busy being 'myran' because an ES is used.

Edit: I'd love a spell that could darken a room.

Awwww, Karmapoo covered lore mokey is sad.

You make some excellent points. As for ideas.. it is really not for me to say. Most likely the writing on this DLC has been finished many months ago. If there's any point to this thread at all, it may only be to let future TES writers know that this type of writing has been observed by us and will grow old pretty quickly if used much more.

Just to be clear once again, I am really looking forward to play this interesting DLC.


I agree on all accounts. I can't really recall ever having blocked out a sun before in any game. I'm expecting nothing but awesomeness here.

Hehe, very well spotted. This has actually been my secret hope all along.

It can just be a plot device that you somehow never quite end up reaching. Troika Games' last title, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, did the same thing with an Antediluvian, a member of a group of vampiric clan founders with untold powers. You search for it the entire game, but never quite end up getting near one. Even if you would, it would just be.. stupid to encounter anything powerful enough to in the blink of an eye wipe out an entire city (or worse, obtain that power). Still, it's the golden carrot that keeps the story moving forward ever faster. Everyone is after it.

Ah, I wish people would speak for me! We could all get together and act out some wicked ventriloquism going. All the awesome!

On that note, you are correct. I'm just a little bit worried about a small aspect of this DLC. Maybe it will deepen the lore behind Elder Scrolls, who knows (not that I'm getting giddy at the thought or anything). Either way, it looks more interesting than any gamesas DLC I have seen to date.
I miss water arrows. Garrett, where art thou thievin' at?




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Skyrim was my first ES game and even me was under the impression the elder scrolls were in-game lore and prophecies handed over by word and studied by secondary literature. The elder scrolls being a very material deus ex machina devices (item) as I found out in the main quest was some kind of let down.

Elder Scrolls invoke prohecy at will. That is what they do, their aedric/godly properties (the writers really, hence the literal definition of deus ex machina) turn prohecy into history as they are read. At Oblivion proved, they are rewritten just as easily, which when you think about it is just plain silly. Time travel is really one of the lesser uses.

Maybe it's no wonder the Empire stood as long as it did.

I do see the risk of the Scrolls becoming such a cliche that any and all plots are resolved with them. But, the "use" of one in the main quest was small, not even the method for travle to sovengard, just a little looksky into the past.

They have used machine-gods, god-hearts, reincarnation, time-warps, and many other bizzar narrative devices in the past. I would be interested to see one DLC focused on the scrolls.

The ever increasing use, however, if contiued would be alarming. If every player in the upcoming online games has a dozen each...... well that is not cool. But, to make a fundamenally different sort of reality to match one's own taste, well that will take an object of massive power. Their are a few that have been used/mentioned before. But, like I said, all would have the same problem and Dwenmer/Deadra Lord have both been used.

After all, I have one Elder Scroll in my "books" section of inventory I cannot store and don't want to give to an orc. So, how many more will I add to my inventory to go wandering around with?

The last DLC (Or the special GOTY'S DLC) will be about a Dragon Break. You heard it first from me. ;D

Is there any possiblity it is the same Elder Scroll found in Skyrim?

I mean you cannot get rid of the thing so maybe we use it? Or are E.S. one and done?

So you think that the use of an Elder Scroll, the center devices that this entire game world is based off, in too much? If they weren't the focus (And the name for Pete's sake) I would agree, but I think they should use them where they can to develope and show their ultimate power. I don't mind at all.