You can get rid of it. The Orc will buy it. The one at the Collage.

Yeah, I can see a limitation like that working out. It would at least gently nudge the plot mechanism away from becoming a complete and total McGuffin. On the other hand, it would also predict that, besides the elder scroll, the vampire(ish) faction in the game would need to acquire a vast source of power. Now there is something to speculate about.


I see your point. A boxing game without boxing in it wouldn't be a boxing game. In that sense, it comes down to asking what defines the game to you. There was certainly a lot of skyrim in skyrim, as was pointed out earlier. Elder Scrolls are part of the lore, surely, but as a name they also signify the Elder Scrolls series as a succession of games. I think it implies that more than the former. There have been many TES games before, after all.

haha nice


as for the MW people jumping on me about my crossbow mistake..i'm no lore historian and can't know something i never played. I tried to get into MW after OB but the graphics and mechanics were so bad i couldn't play, even though i like the features it had

we're still time traveling, be it forward, backward or sideways...septimus will tell you that any insanity is possible with an elder scroll and lore be damned

On account of the universe literally being written onto the elder scrolls, they are the lore.

So really insanity is lore.

It was Smithers, I say!


Yeah. I mean...do we even know in what capacity the Scroll appears? Maybe the PC finds it out in the wilderness, thinks it looks cool, peeks inside and goes blind. Personally, I'd rather wait to see what they do with it before I make a decision on whether it's becoming an overused plot device (which I don't think it is at the moment). Right now, it's all just theories.

But yes, I can understand the OP's worry about them being the answer to every crisis in future TES games. I don't think they'll go that way, but I guess all we can do is wait and see.

Why are you so certain we're time traveling? The elder scrolls are artifacts with, as far as we know, infinite functions & possibilities. So why would Bethesda just do time travel?They already did something pretty similar in the main questline to get dragonrend. I'm pretty sure they're going to do something more creative or interesting with the scroll in the DLC.

But crossbows are a past invention, they were used by the legion and found in Dwemer ruins in Morrowind.

It's okay, he knows, many others have pointed out his mistake.

Is not about one of them being easier than the other or not, is about which one is more interesting. Personally I find the idea of blocking the sun a lot more interesting than just doing a stat boost on all vampires.

Are you lost in the demon ruins seeking a sun?

screw the sun! get an elder scroll and "end the tyranny of the sun" today!

how else would they explain the sudden appearance of vamp lords if not time travel?

iirc didn't the guy in the teaser vid mention elder scrolls as in more then 1 scroll? Also it looked like the pc had what looked like an elder scroll on their back, maybe there's more then 1 elder scroll being used differently....1 to time travel and another to be used as a weapon against vamp lords, maybe curing them or weakening them for the kill.

This way... [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Ancient_aliens.png[/img]

http://uesp.net/wiki/File:OB-quest-The_Ultimate_Heist.jpg

its a pic from oblivion. theres about a bazillion scrolls on all those shelves. all of them elder scrolls

Well duh there are more scrolls, you steal one in Oblivion for the thieves guild & there are tons more in that room. & there are other ways of explaining vamp lords, maybe another gift from Molag Bal (he created the vampires, fwi), maybe the clan shown in the trailer learned to create that new form on their own?, maybe they already exist but was never seen or well-documented? the dragonborn prophecy on alduin's wall wasn't mentioned before skyrim & is accepted as canon lore, why not vamp-lords?

You do realize this is "The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim", right? Why wouldn't there be any scrolls in this game or game prior?

Please don't display such utter disregard for the discussion at hand, there's more to a topic than the first and last post. Whether or not there are any scrolls in these games isn't my point. I tackled their use, which I feel I have discussed enough at this point. Remember Morrowind? Some Elder Scrolls games didn't even have any actual Elder Scrolls in them. Skyrim has capitalized on them unlike any TES game to date. Maybe I'm not the one who needs to do some realizing?

They're on a plane of Oblivion, and they need to block the Sun before they can invade Tamriel?


And every one of them are now in the hands of the Thalmor, after they sacked the White Gold Tower.

I still have the one from the main quest. I can see it now...

Vampire:"We must find an Elder Scroll to block the sun!"
Me: "What? One of these?" whipping out the scroll.
Vampire: "But... what... how... ?!"

i just rememered that you can SELL the one you get to the orc in the mages guild library. hmmm....

I agree. It was OK in Oblivion since it's the first time it made an appearance, and they were actually in White Gold Tower where they were supposed to be. Now for some reason you can read them without any real training or understanding of them. And you do it twice. Without damaging your eyes (not really).

To me the series was called 'The Elder Scrolls' not because of the scrolls themselves, but because of the mystery of their interpretation. The Elder Scrolls hold together the continuity of the series, despite our contradictory actions, repeated playthroughs, and reloads. In a way, a link between our world and theirs. Not some magic device with a specific function.

For that matter, why have wee seen more Elder Scrolls in Skyrim than in Cyrodiil?

I have a mod that lets me just drop the thing. I keep it on a shelf in my house.

Crossbows existed before Oblivion.



You don't lose the eyesight because you can't actually read and understand what does the scroll say.

*claps for Silverock* and Chaka"

what they said, the scrolls never made an apperance before Oblivion, I know there were several posters that inquired about the name, since they believed it wasn't about the Elderscrolls per say, when infact it is. everything you're doing is on the scrolls already, they shift and change, based on what happens/will happens.

They Blind those that can read it, and render insane those who can understand it, the DB can do neither, but some aspect of him/her allowed them to exercise a portion of its power, HARK not its Power But an aspect of it. it is an anomaly.



nothing says these scrolls could not possess more power than what we already know, MY concern was that in future titles the Scrolls go from being metaphysical aspect of the game over all, into actual tangible cliche Super god items that make the mainstory of the game differently than how they do now, and not in a good way.

Excellent points, silverock.
An interesting fact about Elder Scrolls is that their exact number at any given time isn't a constant.

I don't think that their could be any logical way for the Sun to be blocked out in Skyrim without the use of an E.S. Although they could come up with some far-fetched alternative, in the end it would probably take away from the overall story. Providing the E.S. (which is not overused or rehashed as much as some believe) would make it easier for casual fans to appreciate and understand the story without delving into the large amount of lore the series has produced over the years.