after reading tru all of this crap i have one question in mind...

Does it really matter?

Duh of course it does.
When you go from a ferari to a tricycle, yes that matters.

I wasn't really a fan of Oblivion's spell system, and I like that spells each have their own unique feel, and not longer feel like just a point on a chart of effects, but I still think there's plenty of room for improvement. I think that transmutation spell is a good example of what we need more of, really gives the feeling that there's a myriad of spells for any purpose you can imagine out there.

MAgic has potency, but some mobs resist certain elements so need to switch accordingly.

modders will make spells scale up as you level. just wait

Is there a way to enchant things to do +% in dmg with spells like you can with everything else?

Sorry, but aoe destruction is beastly. You can clear a room insanely fast if you play it right.

Free your mind

What this game really needs for casters is spellmaking. Although most possible basic spells are covered, it just feels silly to walk around 28 out of 31 levels with one and the same spell annihilating everything in range. Just because there is no other spell available and alternatives are so badly balanced that it just doesn't make sense to do anything but firebolt spamming and the occasional daedra summoning.

Why should I calm something it if dies in 3-4 firebolt dual-cast hits without fighting back? Why should I frency enemies if I can just erase am entire room of enemies within a few seconds? Why summon a pet if the enemy gets constantly staggered so it doesn't fight back anyways? Why use armor or shield spells, if it for once doesn't really prevent any damage and for second most enemies are dead before they can attack? And why would I use anything but fire magic, if there are no fire-resistant mobs in the game and the side-effects of damage spells are broken anyway?

With spell-making a mage player could play the game as he/she likes it, create combinations of spells according to the play-style and improve the power of spells according to their character and/or likings. Why was this even removed from the game?

Because choice, customisation and the requirement to do some actual planning and thinking are apparently boring.
Look at all the people glad armour degradation and sleeping to level up is gone.
Its as if they dont like RPG's but for some unfathomable reason insist on playing them and then complaining until all RPG elements are removed.

I'm about level 10 and I think that the magic is pathetically weak. I don't see what benefit you get from wearing no armour, the spells strength is still like trying to kill something by flicking peas at it. You die very quickly from enemies who just lock onto you and have tons of magika.My destruction is about level 28 or so, I've got reduced mana casting for novice and apprentice destruction spells etc. But if it's more than a 1v1 battle you might as well forget about it, even 1v1 I struggle.

The favourites menu is absolutely rubbish for casting. It's slow and clunky and kills the game. Takes ages to swap spells and then swap them back.

Apparent difficulty seems ridiculous. Autosave system is rubbish, doesn't save anywhere near enough considering how many times I've died playing this (more in 3 days than ever in oblivion). Manually saving after every room is obviously terrible as well.

This game is a step backwards in just about every respect as far as I can see.

Read nearly this entire thread...I think I agree with the people who are saying that those complaining are not using other magic schools effectively. Looks like Beth de-emphasized destruction so no wizards fury or finger of the mountain in this game. Learn to use conjure, illusion, and buff/debuffs....and enchantement. Sounds like actual mage play to me.

Is it really that hard to comprehend not wanting to be stuck in a corner, being forced to play a particular playstyle? I can't think of anyone who picks a Mage to feel underpowered, or who wanted to be required to literally do five times as many things to get the same results as any other "class". I did not start my first character to play a Mage that has to summon, as well as animate corpses or cause enemies to flee etc. You might think that it makes you powerful or whatever, and I''m not saying it doesn't work, but it's tedious and drags out every single scenario into a mini epic fight for no reason other than the fact that the sum of their parts doesn't even make them on par with the rest of the triumvirate.

Your summons > Destruction, except in the very random scenarios where you can actually hit 4-5 enemies at once. Have you seen how utterly ridiculous enemy casters hit for as you level up? Their damage goes up, while yours remains stagnant in no man's land. Conjured weapons > Destruction. No one here said that a caster can't beat the game. What people are upset with is that the primary damage source is pathetic this time around.

I literally have to choose between: God Mode on Master (aka melee) or annoyingly SLOW mode on Adept level. There's no in between. There's no true challenge other than your patience.


This is pretty common knowledge, and I doubt anyone complaining was lacking said knowledge. Give me a break. Melee have no such issues as "resist physical" in a similar way. Yes, some enemies are more heavily armored and some also used shields, but guess what? It doesn't matter one bit, becauase a power attack blows through all of that armor and staggers them if they have a shield, so they still drop like a wet paper bag.



Cool story bro. I hear enemies are just always clustered up constantly so that those awesome spells actually do anything other than drain all of your mana. It's too bad 90% of the game has enemies coming towards you single file so it's almost always 1v1 or 2v1 at most. Those spells also do absolutely nothing vs dragons.

Well it was pretty sorry of Bethesda to remove spell crafting and then remove any sort of enchantment customization other than mana use. Shouts are not a substitute for this. Still some of the spells are beyond awesome late game and the shouts really stand out if I was a Jedi.

Paralyze? It worked on every mob other than dragons and mechs so far and I finished MQ with lvl 38. (worked even on quest bosses)
I can even lol powerattack them with my infinite stamina provided by resto tree.

lol why would you max resto?
oh wait... I guess you only maxed destruction.

Try maxing only 2 hand and let me know how it goes on masters.

Play mage on master, do no damage

This was also true in Oblivion, except there were some exploits you could overcome it with back then.

If you mean Firestorm and Blizzard...yeah, they sure have pretty particles. It's too bad they literally take six seconds to cast.


My current lvl 31 melee is playing on Master and no single melee type enemy gives me any difficulty at all. Even minbosses die before I'm down to 75% health. The only enemies that are actually ever a problem are the wierd shock mages that seem to kill me in two hits, or frost mages that have laser homing machin gun speed Ice Bolts that almost never miss. They slow me down to a crawl most of the time. How come our spells don't do that?


Having to cast a healing spell on yourself just to get stamina back doesn't mean you have infinite stamina, and you may as well have just used a potion since it does not unequip your weapon. The irony is that the way you played is literally how a melee character would play. The only difference is that they don't actually need to paralyze anything to kill it in 1-3 seconds.

I don't see how the current spell system can't be compatible with spellcrafting...

I hope we can do at least spellcrafting-like things in the Construction Kit when it's out. Like : choosing effects, graphics, which animation, which type (aoe, beam, projectile, self, touch...).

I miss the customization of spells, even though it had its flaws (a whole redesign or it for next TES would be great).

I also loved tempering with the shader effects for the enchanted weapons (I started off from the "Visually Enchanted" mod, and got wild with it ).

Bottom line, I love the new spells and anims, but I mourn the loss of customization offered by the spellcrafting. Although I reckon it would probably have taken quite a decent amount of resource/time to redesign it properly.

Magic isn't even my main thing I only got a bit cause I did the mage school quest series by accident.
My character is sneak/range and with less then half that lvl in destruction magic I can 1 hit KO people with 2 hand firebolt the same people that take 3 sneak shots with a fine elven bow 60 and 30 percent range damage modifier and a by 3 damage.

Mage can't be that underpowered, also if your having problems waiting for it to recharge just complete the mage school series, you get tons of items that increase mage recover by 100 percent.

Which either by bug or another unfathomable design choice do not work in combat.

sorry buy you personally dont decide what right and good you are not stating facts , just your opinion , and an opinion that most people dont agree with . Theres a big diffrence between RPG and anol stats . Sorry but if armour degradation is a main feature of an RPG for you then you have no idea what RPG's are all about. I think you are the one who has no clue about RPG's.

edit- i think OP has a point about magic . A lot of people play it at low levels and think it's OP , because it is very powerful at low levels. However i can already feel it getting worse on my mage. Spells must scale.

You are also below level 15 hitting generic_NPC_01 and most likely do not have the full upgrades to bow damage. You can also upgrade bows to deal 150 damage before wearing +bow damage gear and that's not counting the damage enchant you can add to it, or the sneak attack bonuses. Destructions stops at +50% damage and can't get any better. I can one-shot junk enemies with a Dual Cast firebolt too, so? Most of the enemies are tougher than that, and they also move around too much and rush you for it to matter.

Oh, but it's infinite stamina if I choose to, because I regen faster than I use mana for my heal spells. Mana for heal spells are dirt cheap.
I don't see the irony when jumping in and doing a mass paralyze just wins me a full encounter. You can do whatever you want next. I just powerattack for my rp purposes.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1266212-2469-armor-3199-damage-using-smithing-alchemy-enchanting-only-31-perks/

WHERE ARE YOUR SPELLS NOW?!?

I have a lvl 52 mage with maxed out perks for all schools of magic except restoration and a few others and it takes me forever to kill bears,etc.
and im playing on easy

I knew it would scale bad by simply glancing over game mechanics,.... but not this bad.