[~Amy~]

bad writing does not warrant being called an obese [censored]. end of story

[Jessie Butterfield]

I have no idea how to make this idea workable, but I think it was worth throwing out there.

Never mind. I wrote a spiel, but I don't actually care enough to continue discussing this... The video gaming industry is mostly so dense that even outsiders can see what needs fixing. The result of marketers, managers and general non-gaming people taking control of it.

[Sara Lee]

Meh. I hated Dragon Age: 2 as well. Certainly don't care enough to insult a developer or even learn their names. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[Angelina Mayo]

Third Eye, that's not a very good example. Video games didn't exist before Tolkien. We have no way of knowing what RPGs would be like without him.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/02/23/escape-escape-embracing-skippable-combat/#more-95811.

You didn't read the example -- it wasn't to wonder what RPGs without Tolkien would be, but pointing out that one doesn't need to be a gamer or already in the gaming industry to make decent game content, particularly in this case, writing a story.

[Riky Carrasco]

You didn't read the example -- it wasn't to wonder what RPGs without Tolkien would be, but pointing out that one doesn't need to be a gamer or already in the gaming industry to make decent game content, particularly in this case, writing a story.

Tolkien didn't write game content. He wrote book content. There is a difference.

[CRuzIta LUVz grlz]

bad writing does not warrant being called an obese [censored]. end of story

This, I may have a problem with the direction the writing and the studio is going but personally attacking somebody gets us nowhere.

[Richard Dixon]

Tolkien didn't write game content. He wrote book content. There is a difference.

Obviously this is completely going over your head:

Your quote-> he goes into why it's not a good idea to have non-gamers working for gaming companies, even if they're just writers. I mostly agree with him

Responses directly relate to this. Tolkien's work is found in video games. While he didn't directly write game content, this debunks the notion that to write suitable content for a game one must already be a gamer. Hopefully you follow this time, it's my last attempt.

[aisha jamil]

While he didn't directly write game content, this debunks the notion that to write suitable content for a game one must already be a gamer.

But that content was adapted and designed by someone else, not Tolkien, for other media. Media aren't interchangeable. Writing a book is not the same as writing a newspaper article is not the same as writing a movie script. Book writers don't write their own movie scripts; if they do, script doctors are always hired to rewrite that script into something that is specifically tailored to a movie format. If my dog digs a hole, and I photograph it, and that photo is a masterpiece of composition and lighting, is my dog responsible for that photo? No more than Tolkien is responsible for game content.

[Bones47]

bad writing does not warrant being called an obese [censored]. end of story

Nope.

Spoiler

Being an obese [censored] does.

Oh lord I'm horrible.

[tannis]

For what she said on twitter and then what she has said before, yes. She got exactly what she had coming to her.

The things she said on twitter made both her and Bioware/EA looks bad and showed that she has no PR skills and no love for gaming.
She has started many times that she hates the "gameplay" part of a game. Then why are you in the game industry?
Go write some more garbage books with the skill of a 14 year old, or go write for movies.


She said on twitter this among other things,

"I just figure they're jealous that I get to have both a woman part AND a games industry job, and they can't get either

http://www.ps3trophies.com/forums/general-ps3-discussion/12218-jennifer-helper-bioware-writer-vs-internet.html


Then here is a good comparison.
http://i.imgur.com/ZiIDV.jpg


She tried to write novels and failed, and her game writing is not much better. Bioware have a massive PR blunder to deal with.
So has no business writing for game, her novels flopped and now she is a advlt that "can't take the heat" and acted like a child.
Waahhh they made fun of me.

[Lilit Ager]

Nope.

Spoiler

Being an obese [censored] does.

That doesn't really warrant it either, unless a person is in the habit of being unbelievably rude to complete strangers.

[Barbequtie]

Sigh.

[Cathrine Jack]

That doesn't really warrant it either, unless a person is in the habit of being unbelievably rude to complete strangers.

What if she takes up two seats on public transport?

[Elina]

What if she takes up two seats on public transport?

Still doesn't really warrant being rude...

[Fluffer]

For what she said on twitter and then what she has said before, yes. She got exactly what she had coming to her.

The things she said on twitter made both her and Bioware/EA looks bad and showed that she has no PR skills and no love for gaming.
She has started many times that she hates the "gameplay" part of a game. Then why are you in the game industry?
Go write some more garbage books with the skill of a 14 year old, or go write for movies.


She said on twitter this among other things,

http://www.ps3trophies.com/forums/general-ps3-discussion/12218-jennifer-helper-bioware-writer-vs-internet.html


Then here is a good comparison.
http://i.imgur.com/ZiIDV.jpg


She tried to write novels and failed, and her game writing is not much better. Bioware have a massive PR blunder to deal with.
So has no business writing for game, her novels flopped and now she is a advlt that "can't take the heat" and acted like a child.
Waahhh they made fun of me.

Tons of game developers don't actually play video games. They get sick and tired of making them, they want nothing to do with them. Does that mean they can't make a good game? Again no. Might want to think on that a little bit more. There's tons of people who act in movies that don't watch movies, or very few. No liking what your making doesn't imply a lack of skill, there is no correlation.

[Elina]

Tons of game developers don't actually play video games. They get sick and tired of making them, they want nothing to do with them. Does that mean they can't make a good game? Again no. Might want to think on that a little bit more. There's tons of people who act in movies that don't watch movies, or very few. No liking what your making doesn't imply a lack of skill, there is no correlation.

Her writing svcks and she dislike games and wants the game play taken out of them, making them a $60 movie.
How is this any way good?

She is in the wrong industry. its great she has a job though.

If she could write it would be different, all of her books are a disaster.
Not liking something and working on it yields sub par results opposed to someone who likes what they are doing.

Edit.
I think she got we she deserved, and I have stated my opinion so I am done here.

[naome duncan]

Still doesn't really warrant being rude...

Not if I have to stand up because of him/her.

[Rebecca Clare Smith]

Not if I have to stand up because of him/her.

Just sit in their lap. I'm sure nobody would be able to resist your charms.

[AnDres MeZa]

Just sit in their lap. I'm sure nobody would be able to resist your charms.

I like how you said in and not on. Fat folds svck everything up these day *sluuurrp!*

[jenny goodwin]

I like how you said in and not on.

I did wonder about my choice of wording! I think I'll just leave that one to people's own interpretation.

[Gaelle Courant]

I thought the OP article was very well written and I agree with it completely.

[Theodore Walling]

Maybe it's just from my time as a moderator on this forum, where responding to an honest opinion with a simple-minded personal attack on someone's gender and weight is a good way to get banned. But I don't at all agree with the idea that "she got what she deserved." Making a personal attack is never a proper way to disagree with someone. It brings nothing to the table, and is also a good way to take attention from any points that your "side" might otherwise have been trying to make.

As far as the whole "skipping combat" thing goes - In any game I've played recently featuring dialogue options that reward you by letting you avoid a combat; that's generally been considering a good example of writing. All of the Fallout games, Deus Ex, Alpha Protocol, both the Mass Effect and Dragon Age series, even Skyrim. When the right dialogue choices or skills give you the opportunity to opt out of combat, that's often an example brought up by someone trying to "prove" a game has "good" writing.

Considering a writer made that statement in question, I don't see the big deal.

As well, isn't one of Kingdoms of Amalur's big selling points that the story was written by R.A. Salvatore? I haven't heard anything about him being all that enthusiastic of a gamer. And he's far from the first well-known writer to be doing this sort of thing. (Orson Scott Card, for example.)

At the end of the day, good writing is good writing (or not, as the case may be.) Whether movies, books, graphic novels, etc - it's still the same over-arching rules. And it's still my understanding that it's not like a game writer's work just gets plopped into a game willy-nilly. It's still someone's job to translate that work into a videogame concept or level.

Anyway, for me it still comes down to - there's never any good reason to call someone childish names. And if people want to bring the conversation down to that level, I don't think they can get all upset about their target responding in kind and still expect to be taken seriously. Regardless of her views, people deserve to be treated like human beings. It's first-world problems, anyway. The level of vitriol that got leveled at her is disgusting to me.

[Brian Newman]

Her writing svcks and she dislike games and wants the game play taken out of them, making them a $60 movie.
How is this any way good?

She is in the wrong industry. its great she has a job though.

If she could write it would be different, all of her books are a disaster.
Not liking something and working on it yields sub par results opposed to someone who likes what they are doing.

Edit.
I think she got we she deserved, and I have stated my opinion so I am done here.

Subjective is as subjective does. Her writing is okay, not fantastic, But that's most authors for you. There wouldn't be amazing great authors if everyone was. Also she never stated she wanted to take gameplay out, she just wants to enable skipping of gameplay. An optional feature, your not forced to skip cinematic. I don't see a a Ninja burst through your door and threaten to chop your head off if you skip a cinematic or don't skip it. For the casual or story people? it's perfectly fine wanting to experience the game without playing it, they paid for it. Let them skip through parts of it like a dvd chapter menu. Why does it affect you?

Nowhere did she state she was ever going to take out gameplay. Completely misinterpreted her whole quote.

As to her childish comments? Aren't we all? I know I've said a few things I shouldn't have, we're only human. At some point you have to cut people some slack or they'll go insane. Now if she kept doing this with consistency, or with no motive of self defense. It would be more dubious, but as is? It's just her trying to defend herself in a panic. She's a writer, not exactly someone trained to maintain themselves under pressure like a news host or an actor.

Feel free to condemn a fellow human over such trivialities though. Next I'll see people waging a holy war on people who like dvd chapter menus.

[Mario Alcantar]

This isn't the gaming community, this is internet trolling. Ask George Lucas why he isn't making any more Star Wars films. It's not just in gaming circles this happens. I think the article falls into the age old trap that if games (or gamers) are somehow involved, they must be to blame.

[jessica robson]

Subjective is as subjective does. Her writing is okay, not fantastic, But that's most authors for you. There wouldn't be amazing great authors if everyone was. Also she never stated she wanted to take gameplay out, she just wants to enable skipping of gameplay. An optional feature, your not forced to skip cinematic. I don't see a a Ninja burst through your door and threaten to chop your head off if you skip a cinematic or don't skip it. For the casual or story people? it's perfectly fine wanting to experience the game without playing it, they paid for it. Let them skip through parts of it like a dvd chapter menu. Why does it affect you?

Nowhere did she state she was ever going to take out gameplay. Completely misinterpreted her whole quote.

As to her childish comments? Aren't we all? I know I've said a few things I shouldn't have, we're only human. At some point you have to cut people some slack or they'll go insane. Now if she kept doing this with consistency, or with no motive of self defense. It would be more dubious, but as is? It's just her trying to defend herself in a panic. She's a writer, not exactly someone trained to maintain themselves under pressure like a news host or an actor.

Feel free to condemn a fellow human over such trivialities though. Next I'll see people waging a holy war on people who like dvd chapter menus.

Gamgee through this whole thread found myself completely agreeing with ya, this point especially rings very true, we hold them to higher standard, even in our hate, so we forget they're only human. I'm really enjoying reading the discussions in this thread. Was unsure when I joined this forum, but found it's got one of the best communities seen on a forum. Kudos for not biting anyone heads off guys.