thats the problem , MMOS need a huge amount of money to staff and run , this will effect the future releases of REAL elder scroll games

That seems kinda redundant by now though, they are hardly going to scrap years of work because of some negative feedback.
It's not like they just announced that they're starting production, they've been in production, for a long time.
Not following it through would waste more money than it would by releasing it and at least earning some profit, even if it's just to cut even.

Shordammitsomuch...


They are NOT replacing the single player franchise! This is an entirely separate studio! It's not even anywhere near the original games' time frame!

Actually, forums are about discussions, which may include opinions, but not all opinionated posts add anything to the discussion. Swooping in and posting "THIS svckS, change this and that or I never play this game" really adds nothing.

They'll eventually go back to the Skyrim forums.

It's funny...

You sound a lot like those people who were like "Halo Wars/Halo Reach isn't a Halo game! This is what "Halo" really is! [insert subjective and biased opinion]!" There were even people doing this when WoW was first announced.

The Elder Scrolls Online is an Elder Scrolls game. Period.

why not? its clearly going to svck and not make any money

Isn't that what we said in the Skyrim forums?

Well what can I do otherwise? Be upset and cry? or vent those frustrations. I know full well Zenimax are in it for the money I just want them to know they've annoyed a lot of people doing this. If you don't like the way something is heading you should speak up about it.

That said I would welcome more information to prove me wrong, to say this is going to the best mmo of all time. Cause so far i'm not enjoying what I am seeing.

I was kinda looking forward to the FPS MMORPG hopfully but im not holding my breath they are just lying and actually put that in the game instead. I completely understand what your saying with the fight as yourself thing would be very interesting to see a mmo do that, but we dont know yet its only second day of even knowing it exist!

Unless you are an employee of Zenimax Studios for either Bethesda or ZMOnline, this lovely statement applies to you too.

how did the knights of the old republic mmo effect the singleplayer knights of the old republic franchise?

What can you do otherwise? Get over it.

Depends how you want to define it, i'll be more specific

Is it an Elder Scrolls game? yes

Do I want it to be an Elder Scrolls game? no

Is it an Elder Scrolls single player game? no

Do I define an Elder Scrolls game by it's single player? yes

Hopefully you can understand my opinion now. Your point about Halo may be right, but before now TES has never sold out before, or if they have it has never truly bothered me. This on the other hand does. To me this game is just an mmo, it's much easier that way. Because to me Elder Scrolls is about the single player, that is how the experience is defined. Anything else just won't be Elder Scrolls. It's just my opinon, you don't have to agree with it.

tell the devlelopers the game wont be sucessful and hopefully they will can the project and put money into one that will be sucessful

This.

Poor posting can go either way- people crying and overgeneralizing without a cogent point, AND people who are waving flags with little to no detail to go on and yelling at anyone who disagrees with them.

I'm not happy, and I will continue to post in here on what I've seen and experienced- the scans are out, they look legitimate, so we have details we can critique. Also, there is a pretty large history base to comb through with other MMO's to compare and contrast good and bad decisions within the genre.

We can have a discussion from both perspectives without people getting their panties in a bunch. If you don't like the criticisms, don't acknowledge them. Move on to another discussion.

KotOR II had more to do with it than anything. If anything, SWTOR gives us a slight chance at a return to them. In any case, just because it played out there like this doesn't mean it will here. If TES:O completely bombs, itll be even more likely that they will continue to produce more single-player TES games.

Again, that's totally going to happen. They're going to look at a few posts from people who have seen a few screenshots and gotten a vague description of the game from an article, and they're going to say, "You know what, screw five years of time and money. Let's start over on something new."

All the posts I made before I read the game informer article were positive.

All the posts I made after? Negative. The game is a boring copy of WoW with a TES skin, not worth buying.

This is a perfect example of a post that doesn't need to be made. I understand your frustration, but you're not really adding anything to the discussion. You're actually inviting more inflammatory posts with this, and that will get your thread closed.

we are probably not going to see another kotor game unless swtor goes offline.

I didn't know you could predict the future, tell me, how will Deborah react to seeing Dexter for what he is?

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, but that it's foolish to act like "if I show how much I dislike this idea then they'll scrap years of work which they've spent tons of money on developing."
No development studio is going to scrap years of work because of some negative feedback, they'll lose more money scrapping the project than they'll do releasing it.
Show criticism, show bashing, it's fine, but don't illude yourself into thinking that they'll actually stop production on it.

That's what I meant.

So a car runs you over because there were no safety barriers. You break both legs. But instead of campaigning to put in safety barriers you do nothing since you know your government won't do anything about it there is no point trying. I'd rather spit in the wind than do nothing.

I still want to discuss this and I feel strongly about it. We might not agree and I do admit I do have a bias towards knocking a mmo game but I will try and be as fair as possible. If you present to me enough evidence why this game is awesome and why it will be innovative and complerly fresh from the ones that came before I will hop on the 'yay online' idea. For me TES never has been about multiplayer. It would take something special to change that, I don't see anything special yet.

Sorry anology is stupidly out of context but I hope you understand what I am saying

You mean the series that was released by two different developers back in 2003 and 2004?
And then an MMORPG, announced 4 years later, by the first title's developer?

Do you know anything about anything?

Oblivion development started in 2002, released in 2006.
Elder Scrolls Online started development in 2007, finally announced in 2012.
Oblivion still had DLC releasing in 2007 and ports continuing after that.
Skyrim began development in 2008, released in 2011.

Yeah, the MMO has had such a giant impact on the single player series.

lets get something straight, Skyrim was the beginning of the end of The Elder Scrolls. Not some online game who Zenimax developed.