yeh i know about the plugins, I used to use a lot of them for fallout, morrowind and oblivion. but i am still waiting on the tes construction kit to make my own stuff, because I have a hunch that when the patches do get released by steam it is going to mean
reinstalling skyrim for compatibility issues because of the kit. I also have no interest in topless pixilated ladies and wenches. However id take improved textures, overhaul mods and extra quests/dungeons ect any day.

Thing is, you don't have a right to demand that your preferences replace theirs. That's no better(in fact, if you're the reason it happened, that's worse)

I'm not demanding anything. Just giving an opinion.

Several posters seem to be misinformed as to how briasts actually behave in athletic situations... or in general, for that matter.

Why can't women wear dress armor in a fantasy game? It did exist in a few instances in reality. Armored cups and all.

One thing I really like about this game is that there's a few types of female armor: Forsworn that's basically nothing, Steel plate and Wolf that have briast cups as if it doesn't matter about how armor usually works, and then Blades and even Dwarven armor that are much more realistic. It makes me happy that we're given a choice, and that helps for when I'm RPGing different types of women, or suiting up a companion who would or would not appreciate her assets on display.

Again, in the long and the short of it sixuality is all around us and in some cases it is a virtual political and moral hotbed of differing opinions. Regardless of the weather I can walk the 4 blocks down to my Starbucks near Portland State University and see all of the skimpily and tightly clad women—of all ages, shape and forms—that I want to. Now whether the armor that women wear in any given video game is practical isn’t relevant in a video fantasy RPG game—or any game genre for that matter. It all comes down to individual taste and preferences. We are all independent individuals with our own sense of morality, likes and dislikes.


On another note of a vaguely hotbed of contention mentioned here, again in my own opinion, I doubt the delay in getting the Construction Kit has anything really to do with technical issues, but rather with monetary issues between Bethesda and Steam. Given the greediness of many corporations these days, I am almost certain that Steam wants to charge for downloading and installing the Creation Kit --along with subsequent mods that become available. Nor, would it surprise me if Steam placed a lock on the ini file to prevent mods from being installed via Nexus. After all, Steam won't allow you to download and install any game executable file, because that means you really wouldn't need Steam. However, all of this is just my own personal opinion, like it or not.

Another thing to note is this.

When you wear scalemail, scale, platemail, plate or chainmail, any heavy armour or metal armour, you always wear something covering you completely underneath. A padded surcoat, a heavy tunic, anything, so long as it protects you from the armour wereever it touches you. To stop it chaffing and ripping you up.
You would never wear heavy or metal armour on bare skin. Never, ever. It would rip you up and be either cold or overheat you.
So a females briasts would be under a clothes or a padded tunic anyway.
So the stupid cone shapes make even less sense. No one would be stupid enough to make extra pointless weight that theres absolutely zero freaking purpose for and provide absolutely zero protection onto the already large weight from the practical utilatarian armour. And makes you look like some ugly joke with giant pointed cone briasts!
Spikes and horns are decoration, they don't add to the weight of the armour like stupid fake briasts!

Either someone has a very very stupid idea of sixy and practical and battleworthy or they really think heavy armour is worn straight onto bare skin like a corset.
If they really think that you would wear the massive weight of heavy or metal armour onto bare skin like a corset, they need sacking from their job in design and are a complete and utter cretin
It would rip your briasts up. Armour moves when you walk and fight. That is why it is fixed and buckled and a solid shape that makes you look slightly bigger than you are, made to protect and deflect attacks. Looks are secondery. It is always a flat briastplate if it has a briastplate. If it is chainmail it is flat anyway. Underneath your ribs and body itself have to be free apart from you underwear and padded tunic or heavy tunic etc to protect you from the armour.


The medium armour, the front is flat or close to skin leather like clothes. There probabely is some stupid stuff with cones.
The light armour, the front is either flat like with the forsworn, shrouded armour, light imperial or shaped and like a corset or clothes. Either way it makes sense.
The elven armour makes zero sense. That is as stupid as the ridiculous heavy armour. That should be a flat briastplate too.

Armour is'nt about being sixy, it is about not getting hurt and protecting you! It can look good while doing both.

I'd bet that many designers aren't even thinking about "oh, there's X inches of padding beneath this" or "armor against bare skin". They're most likely going from a style standpoint, and not even considering stuff like that. (Outside, of course, people designing a 100% accurate history sim). With a "more realistic" style meaning actually covered, versus the Heavy-Metal/Witchblade style pasties-and-thong, rather than historical realism.


Depending on the game, designer, and artist (heck, and the NPC wearing it)? It can easily be about being sixy.

And "look good" is subjective. We've got people here saying the Skyrim armors look terrible/unimmersive/etc because of the minor female shaping they have. You've got people saying that they're really plain. You've got people in the "best looking armor" threads saying that Armor A is great, while B is terrible; and other people saying the exact opposite.



Personally, I'm fine with the utterly impractical silly/sixy armors.... as long as they match the style of the game they're in. So the wildly couture armor in some of the Korean MMOs? Look fine in those games, but would be out of place in Skyrim. Meanwhile, the pretty-puritanical Skyrim armors also look fine - because they match the tone of the game around them.

Really? Are they made of styrofoam?

Helmet horns are far more impractical than false briasts on armor.

Historical armor was pretty highly sixualized. There are entire pieces missing from most museum displays of medieval plate. Large pieces. Pieces which covered the crotch in a fashion that made it quite clear the owner was proud of what lay beneath.

The "codpiece" on orc armor is modest in comparison to these historic armors, and the other male armors are downright emasculated.

Why would a woman hide her six on the battlefield? Simple. Back in them days, woman who were taken prisoner, were ravaged. A woman would rather hide her six and be killed on the spot in a battle, than taken prisoner and face the afore mentioned fate.


Looking like you have larger muscles is intimidating. Looking like you have larger briasts is not intimidating, but attractive. I highly doubt a female would want to arouse her opponent on the battle field, especially considering the point i just brought up above.

Because people didn't actually fight in it. Your PC does.

Dress armors. No one in his or her right mind would wear them into battle. If they did, they wouldn't last long for us to hear about them.

Sometimes actual warriors did use ornament in armor design, to make themselves look fearsome for instance. But the idea that large, well-formed briasts fall under this category is ridiculous.

From an RP standpoint Skyrim's really, really great when it comes to armour. There are a variety of different styles and there's no significant gender imbalance in the designs. I'm really hoping the 'beefy' DLC we're due to get sometime includes a decent number of additional armour sets. More variety <3

I hate boob cupping briastplates, but that's in real life. Onwards to RP~ xD

The thing I never understood about threads like this is the people defending the boob-plates and then proudly displaying their characters with MODDED ARMOR that is even skimpier than what's in the game. If you're going to mod it anyway why are you complaining that some of us would prefer for the game to be shipped with a more realistic armor? I suppose you could say if I want practical armor I could mod it in, but the modding community has not over the course of three games ever made a suit of armor for females that was practical. (And if I missed it, please point it out to me, as long as it doesn't require me to install a body mod with ridiculous proportions like HGEC/TFF/BAB/pretty much everything for Oblivon.) Most of us are not 3D artists and the ones who are seem to only be interested in impractical eye-candy.

And for the record yes, I do hate the horn helmets/huge shoulderpads/spikes of evil on the male armors, too. This thread, however, is about the women specifically.

Fights men wearing nothing but fur skirts, dragons, and other impractical things. By hacking at them aimlessly with a sword until their red health bar goes down.

If you want a medieval combat simulator there's always Mount & Blade, Age of Chivalry, and others. You won't find boob armor there.

Just don't complain about boob armor in fantasy games when half the things you fight survive without realistic armor (or armor at all) at the same time. At least Skyrim's boob armors look plausible. It's not all chain bikinis and metal thongs.

hmm then there were the Amazon warriors..
not sure if they wore armour



The Amazons have become associated with various historical peoples throughout the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire_period and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Antiquity. In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_historiography, there are various accounts of Amazon raids in Asia Minor. From the Early Modern period, their name has become a term for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_warrior in general.


Medieval and Renaissance authors credit the Amazons with the invention of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded_Ware_culture.

These Amazons conquered Armenia, Syria, and all of Asia Minor, even reaching http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionia and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolis, holding this vast territory for 100 years. Jordanes also mentions that they fought with Hercules, and in the Trojan War, and that a smaller contingent of them endured in the Caucasus Mountains until the time of Alexander. He mentions by name the Queens Menalippe, Hippolyta, and Penthesilea.

from the wiki

There's some suggestion that Amazons removed one briast to aid in combat. I doubt they were too concerned about looking feminine.

Y'all, it's pretty simple, you're asking why bad designers made bad designs. Why are all Bethesda's humanoids awkward and stupidly-proportioned? Why does the Steel Plate armor for women look like a Barbie doll mated with a Jack Kirby villain? Why ask why? It's because there are some folks working in the business who are just not that good at their jobs. It's like asking why characters in Morrowind all look like they jumped out of the top of the ugly tree and hit every last branch on the way down.

All the armor is horrible in my opinion, I try to stay in first person and close my eyes when the camera swings out to third person view. This just shows what happens when you write your engine for efficency, you end up making eveyone becoem a square peg so you engien works. But of course Gamebryo doesn't work does it?...so what was the point again?

It has nothing to do with the engine. At any given polycount and texture resolution, a good design is just as easy on the engine as a bad one.

Not sure what your complaint is. Bad textures? Not enough polys? Poor articulation? You mention engines and efficiency, but not exactly what you think they're effecting.

(And if the armor on your character is so horrible that you have to "close your eyes", then you must have a hard time in town or in any fight with humanoid enemies, since they all have the same armor.

Arggh! This seems to pop up in every conversation about girls and combat. That is a myth, they did not cut off a briast. That would be stupid and probably kill them.

Does it make sense? no. Is it a video game? yes.