then, really all you're saying is that i should tone down my argument a bit with a little less hyperbole.

alright, i'm fine with that and you're probably right, but, it's just easier to get the point across by going overboard.

subtlety isn't an online forums best friend, lol.

That's fine but it takes away the whole point of smithing. I would always prefer a game that allowed me to hand craft items that have better stats than those you can buy. If you can't hand craft better than Glass, there's no point in improving the skill once you've found someone who sells Daedric stuff. At level 1, you can wear Daedric armor and use Daedric weapons if you have them since there are no level restrictions on armor and weapon types. If you then make Daedric too rare, you may as well remove it from the game completely and have exactly the same as you have now for smithing to the level of Glass instead of Daedric. In effect, all you have done is left the system as it is but reduced a level in the smithing tree.

I used to play an online game called EQ. As a smith, in the beginning you could craft gear that had the best stats in game but it took a lot of hard work and game money to skill up for it. They then brought out dropped gear that was better than what smiths could craft and it totally killed the craft, nobody bothered with smithing after that. That is no different to what you are proposing with Daedric gear making smithing completely pointless.

The ONLY problem with Smithing right now is that the level requirements are too linear. It is actually possible to spam iron daggers or leather helmets to get smithing to 100, especially since leather or iron is not hard to come by or expensive either. If the progression was logarithmic with better weapons giving more points towards the smithing skill, you'd have to craft several thousand iron daggers or leather helmets just to go up one level later on, while only 10 or 20 Dwarven or Orcish weapons would give the same level increase. But that means you'd have to actually source the more expensive mats to make them. That way, it's still possible to spam low level gear to 100 but it makes it highly impractical and a lot more expensive by contrast.

I would actually like to have more armor designs too. I really like the design of the Nightingale armor over the armor you can craft. Maybe more sub-sections could be added to smithing to make armor with more elaborate designs. This doesn't require spamming the skill to get it, it requires using a perk point. All it would need is a small change to the smithing interface to be more like Enchanting, select Iron/steel etc, then select the design of the armor. The stats don't change, it just looks different and makes a bit of a change to the boring standard armor. It would encourage players to use a perk to make their character look good instead of getting better armor. That way, you could have any armor type but use a specific design you like. The design remain identical from Iron to Daedric but the materials give it a different metallic effect.

Iron - Dull metal.
Steel - Shiny Metal.
Orcish - Shiny Black
Dwarven - Golden
Elven - Golden with a slight White aura
Daedric - Shiny Black with a Red Aura.
Glass - Semi Transparent with a White aura.

Maybe add dyes into the game to change the color too.

What you're asking for is obscenely challenging simply because of how much work goes into making that many textures and texture maps, then attaching them to items, putting them in the crafting menus, putting them into spawn lists ect.
There's a mod called Armory of Tamriel that lets you craft any of the weapons in any material, like glass imperial swords(just for an example). The mod author has gotten so exhausted by the amount of work it takes that he's given up modding completely for a while, and is letting someone else handle it.

I know that all too well. To be fair, hyperbole is great as "Discussion bait" if someone rational enough to not be personally invested in a particular position bites.

I agree, though I support Beth making their game better, I would rather play my way in my game. It was nice to spam iron daggers right off the bat and make some quick gold to buy a house or whatever but I also liked the challenge of having a higher level with low combat skills. For me it was better RP, fighting skeevers and wolves all the time no thanks, trolls and bears are better but going down the Dragon-born path, tougher dragons. That there is the prize my friends.

I am glad too OP and I do care! Or I would not have opened this topic

It's alright, because of you I'll report this and get it closed. Thanks for the heads up!



(Seriously do NOT know why you people keep bringing this BS back up, must have nothing better to do then troll I suppose.)

I'm nerfing this by request.