1 handed or 2 handed weapons which do you prefer ? : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:53 am

^^ lol but if ur EQUALLY upgraded one handed damage and two handed damage, its not Y 11, X 10 or whatever you said

its more like y 36, X 13

the duel wielding sprinting animation RUINED it for me ( the weird anime arm movement and weird tail movements )

so i just switch up between two handed and one handed ( having the shield just sit on my arm when i sheath my weapon killed Sword/Shield for me, if it wen't on my back i'd chose Sword/Shield )

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:40 am

LOL

Arguing on the forums is like masterbation, it seems like a good idea at first, but you don't really get anywhere and sometimes it's just a mess.

When you spout numbers and math, you fail to realize that this is not an mmo. We are not talking about end game raiding. We are talking about a single player game that allows for one shotting several enemies after enough crafting skills are leveled regardless of weapon. The biggest thing you keep going on about is shield bashing. Go ahead shield bash, I will power attack. My power attack will stagger more enemies more often and do more damage than 1h + shield. I also have defensive options just like a shield user. I also do more damage. You have already shown me the numbers proving this. At this point, there isn't much to discuss. It's just getting messy.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:47 am

LOL

Arguing on the forums is like masterbation, it seems like a good idea at first, but you don't really get anywhere and sometimes it's just a mess.

When you spout numbers and math, you fail to realize that this is not an mmo. We are not talking about end game raiding. We are talking about a single player game that allows for one shotting several enemies after enough crafting skills are leveled regardless of weapon. The biggest thing you keep going on about is shield bashing. Go ahead shield bash, I will power attack. My power attack will stagger more enemies more often and do more damage than 1h + shield. I also have defensive options just like a shield user. I also do more damage. You have already shown me the numbers proving this. At this point, there isn't much to discuss. It's just getting messy.

This contents of this post are mostly irrelevant while the rest is reiteration of previous stated content therefore adding nothing. Although it does solidify my thoughts about your ineptness at mathematics.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:35 am

^^ lol but if ur EQUALLY upgraded one handed damage and two handed damage, its not Y 11, X 10 or whatever you said

its more like y 36, X 13

the duel wielding sprinting animation RUINED it for me ( the weird anime arm movement and weird tail movements )

so i just switch up between two handed and one handed ( having the shield just sit on my arm when i sheath my weapon killed Sword/Shield for me, if it wen't on my back i'd chose Sword/Shield )

Actually, if you bothered to read through the thread, when you're properly "upgraded" as you state, the difference is ~15.8%.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:49 am

Actually, if you bothered to read through the thread, when you're properly "upgraded" as you state, the difference is ~15.8%.

That's the thing, no one really cares. That poster merely commented on how it wasn't his style, and lol at your "dps" numbers.

2h still does more damage. Even if it's only 15%. Perfectly viable because at that point it's doing something like 300 damage. I'm sure it could be higher. If a power attack then does double damage, what lives through that? 2% of enemies? Before that point, earlier in the game, 2h weapons, well all that's been said by myself and others. In other words, they're fine.

This contents of this post are mostly irrelevant while the rest is reiteration of previous stated content therefore adding nothing. Although it does solidify my thoughts about your ineptness at mathematics.

Oh noes, this discussion has been reduced to who is better at math. Which brings me to...does dps matter in Skyrim? I don't know, ask your guild leader, on phase 2 all melee dps need to be doing 400.5 or the healers will die...oh wait lol. Nope still on Skyrim forums. Fights last no more than a few seconds on the high end. Two handed is fine...l2p newbz. I'm gonna need a towel to clean up this mess.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:06 am

Actually, it does. Not only are they slower when striking, they also cripple your movement to a large degree when striking. Much more so than when using one-handed weapon strikes.

This is an argument for, "If you svck, it might be easier for you to land a blow with a two-handed weapon as opposed to a one-handed weapon."

Yes, Block Runner works with two-handed weapons. So what? It just means that you can do something worse than someone who's using a one-handed weapon + shield. To me, the point of Block Runner is to have block up at all times because you can't always avoid enemy attacks (Mostly due to areas you're fighting in such as cramped dungeons with little space to move or difficult to maneuver). When you block a strike with a shield, it is far more effective. When you dodge an enemy attack via Quick Reflexes with sword and board, you can land more hits and when the damage gap isn't much between a one-handed weapon and a two-handed weapon, it means you're doing more DPS.

Furthermore, with a one-handed weapon and shield you can resume blocking far quicker so Quick Reflexes kicks in when it needs to kick in. The better movement speed while striking with one-handed weapons and the quickness to resume blocking helps your footwork tremendously when compared to using a two-handed weapon with similar technique.

Lower level enemies are one shotted by mere one-handed strikes, sprinting if need be, and far quicker too. If the damage gap was actually significant, this would be somewhat of a positive for two-handed weapons. Since it's not, well, it's not much of a distinction/advantage.

Well, if we're going to go that route, technically you never ever need to block then. Ever. In which case dual-wielding is the better choice, by far.

I doubt that's intentional behavior and in my experience with it, it's far from consistent behavior. (That means that it's very difficult and inconvenient to have it fire off every time you want it to as opposed to using it the proper way with a shield.)

Chance is the keyword. It's not consistent behavior. You know what is consistent behavior? Shield bashing. Works far better than hilt bashing with two-handed weapons (Greater reach, fires off quicker) and far better than an inconsistent stagger on power attacks. It works even better when enhanced by meditating on the word Fus.

If we're talking about the beginning of a play-through, then one-handed plus shield will work out better because it provides better defense (Which you need in the beginning if you're playing, say, Master difficulty) and greater openings to which attack an opponent (Due to swing speed and swing movement speed, better bash). If we're talking about end-game, it provides better offense than two-handed weapons short of some situations where the difference would be counted in milliseconds.

You seem a bit misinformed about dw, 1h, 2h....check these threads out http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1313851-complete-character-design-freedom-damage-resist-caps-and-ridiculous-damage-thread-7/

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:03 am

That's the thing, no one really cares. That poster merely commented on how it wasn't his style, and lol at your "dps" numbers.

For a guy that doesn't care, you really address me far too often. Show your lack of care with silence towards me. It's a simple concept.

2h still does more damage. Even if it's only 15%. Perfectly viable because at that point it's doing something like 300 damage. I'm sure it could be higher. If a power attack then does double damage, what lives through that? 2% of enemies? Before that point, earlier in the game, 2h weapons, well all that's been said by myself and others. In other words, they're fine.

I've stated that two-handed weaponry is not viable. Oh wait a second, I haven't. If you think I've been arguing that it isn't viable, you need to re-read some things.

Oh noes, this discussion has been reduced to who is better at math. Which brings me to...does dps matter in Skyrim? I don't know, ask your guild leader, on phase 2 all melee dps need to be doing 400.5 or the healers will die...oh wait lol. Nope still on Skyrim forums. Fights last no more than a few seconds on the high end. Two handed is fine...l2p newbz. I'm gonna need a towel to clean up this mess.

Let me repeat myself since you've deluded yourself into a non-existent MMO argument that is irrelevant and has no place here. "I've stated that two-handed weaponry is not viable. Oh wait a second, I haven't. If you think I've been arguing that it isn't viable, you need to re-read some things."

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:34 am

You seem a bit misinformed about dw, 1h, 2h....check these threads out http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1313851-complete-character-design-freedom-damage-resist-caps-and-ridiculous-damage-thread-7/

You seem a bit misinformed about dual-wielding, one-handed, and two-handed. Check the following link out: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misinformed

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:16 am

A simple question on preference for weaponry turns into a miasma of pedantic walls of text arguing math, amazing.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:00 am

I, for one, prefer one-handed weapons, swords especially, because the drag coefficient is less when I swing; therefore, I can move my sword much easier.

(Just egging on, if no one can tell. I don't care, forum is dead at this time anyway :tongue:

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» Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:35 pm

So you're saying you're a credible source when you're going around power bashing while Quick Reflexes is applied? Lol. In any case, I didn't falsely accuse you of anything. I'm pretty sure I was correct in my accusation and furthermore I like to throw in a sense of irony every now and then. An eye for an eye and what have you. Do what you must, regardless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad-hominem

I feel naughty by replying to this, but I enjoy watching you try and squirm your way out of things...

That wiki link you posted, try reading it yourself, twice. After that, if you still can't work out why your accusation towards me was completely invalid, then I suggest you don't bother replying.

Oh and BTW, that ridiculous excuse of "eye for an eye", you're not fooling anyone.

And like I said before, I disagreed with your anolysis on the situation. I thought it was akin to stating that Destruction magic is beast because it can attack all foes within a 15 feet radius (Far larger than a sweep attack's cone). I could go on and on but I've already stated numerous reasons why it just doesn't cut the mustard. Against pure one-handed, sure, but against dual-wielding? No. The key word here is that enemies can block. Block. Dual-wielding does far greater DPS to blocking foes than two-handed could ever hope to achieve, sweep perk or otherwise. Toodleoo.

Now back to the issue at hand. Taking your example of destruction magic. If the spell did the same damage as my 2H sword power attack, then yes, ofcourse it will be the most powerful attack in the game. 1 spell and the whole room dies, even you can't argue that DW is better... But alas, it has no where near the same damage, so your comparison is inappropriate and invalid.

Now for enemies who block. I should mention that my 2H power attacks against most common blocking enemies is a 1 hit kill regardless of whether they're blocking or not. But for the sake of argument I will assume that they survive the first hit.

Now, I've already said that for single enemies, DW may kill faster. But suppose you walk into a room and 3 bandits/drougrs come charging towards you (not an uncommon situation). Since they run towards you there's no need for me to position myself or get into range, they've done that for me. Lets also assume, according to your post, the worst possible situation: they're all actively blocking.

All I need to do now is let off 1 sweeping strike. If it doesn't kill all 3 outright, it will break their blocks and possibly stagger them, rendering them unable to attack. My second sweeping strike follows immediately and finishes them off. The power of the sweep attack lies in the fact that the number of enemies you're facing makes no difference to the time it takes to kill them. As long as they're in range all it ever takes is 2 attacks regardless of how many there are.

Are you seriously saying that you can kill 2, 3, 4 or even 5 blocking enemies faster using DW than the time it takes me to let off 2 sweeping strikes? If not then you must acknowledge that there may be situations where 2H kills faster than DW. Every time you encounter the said situation, it will push the AVERAGE DPS of 2H up towards that of DW. Whether the average DPS of 2H will catch up or surpass that of DW depends on how often you encounter the said situation.

This is the point that I have been trying to get across. The difference in DPS between 2H and DW will vary according to the types of battles you encounter. It's not as black and white as some make it out to be.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:14 am

Started a new playthrough as a Dark Elf Executioner, using the Headsman's Axe as weapon and Headsmans mask and Tsuns armour on a character overscaled to 1.15 via console. The axe is slow and pretty weak as 2 handed go, but this playthrough I am in for the long haul challenge.
Previously I was a Sword and Board Nord, pretty much using Spellbreaker and Dawnbreaker exclusivly. When you reach high level you can pretty much walk through a dungeon knowing full well you are in no real danger and all will kneel before your might. The sheild can stop almost all magic attacks dead other than wall type spells, and the sword when buffed up to max is enough as kill most high level enemies in three rather rapid swipes.

This time round I am looking for the challange, as well as no fast travel and other things like using light or no armour just to get the most out of the game now.
My intentions are to use one handed, two handed and dual weild styles throughout but only with Axe weapons and perks.

The sword and sheild are almost unstoppable when you level up the perks for them both.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:43 am

I think 2h is more fun, and hilarious when you smash people down... but I'm partial to swords.. and umm.. there aren't enough unique swords (like something roughly equivalent to Wuuthrad). And no, I don't care about crafting a daedric sword. I don't care for the concept or look.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:37 am

I think 2h is more fun, and hilarious when you smash people down... but I'm partial to swords.. and umm.. there aren't enough unique swords (like something roughly equivalent to Wuuthrad). And no, I don't care about crafting a daedric sword. I don't care for the concept or look.

Try an improved Skyforge Steel Greatsword. Only slightly less damage than a Daedric but it looks like something Conan would definately be happy to use

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:28 am

Greetings stranger. Well met!

1h1h Pros: Fastest attack, highest single damage output.

1h1h Cons: Stationary powerattack, no blocking, no bashing.

1h1h Mobility: Best potential to move about doing damage, but when you wanna spike the dps, you need to halt, opening a vulnerability to attacks.

1hs Pros: Best defense. Bashing and best blocking .

1hs Cons: Slow attack, low damage.

1hs Mobility: Best defense at the cost of offense.

2h Pros: Highest hit damage, area damage, best reach, bashing and blocking.

2h Cons: Slowest attack, halting attack.

2h Mobility: Mostly mobile with short complete halts.
^^
Is what I love about 2h fighting. Using it smartly, I can put myself out of danger before counters can be made against my attacks.
1h1h suffers from no bashing and blocking, as well as halting the longest period when it does come to a halt.
1hs overall strengths make it the ideal choice, if you may only pick one and wanna be best, do 1hs. .

Thats my observations and speculations. I like all the melee, simple, yet interesting.
I'm very much looking forward to any modders handling melee, or Bethesda themselves, there is alot that could be done, supposedly.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:12 am

I love how you really need to be quick on your feet when using two handers (I use light armor), I like 1h and shield as well but with heavy armor it just makes me feel like a tank (especially coupled with alteration). If it was possible to block with one hand while using a spell like in oblivion I think that would be my favourite combo.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:13 pm

I love how you really need to be quick on your feet when using two handers (I use light armor), I like 1h and shield as well but with heavy armor it just makes me feel like a tank (especially coupled with alteration). If it was possible to block with one hand while using a spell like in oblivion I think that would be my favourite combo.

I also play light armor + 2h, my most fun character by far.

It boils down to opinion, what you think feels the best. Honestly like I said before, the game is so easy that arguing about "DPS" doesn't really matter. Its about feel/fun.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:15 am

Duel-wield one-handed weapons.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:10 pm

I feel naughty by replying to this, but I enjoy watching you try and squirm your way out of things...

That wiki link you posted, try reading it yourself, twice. After that, if you still can't work out why your accusation towards me was completely invalid, then I suggest you don't bother replying.

Oh and BTW, that ridiculous excuse of "eye for an eye", you're not fooling anyone.

I feel naughty by replying to this, but I enjoy watching you try and squirm your way out of things...

That wiki link you posted, try reading it yourself, twice. After that, if you still can't work out why my accusation towards you was completely valid, then I suggest you don't bother replying.

Oh and by the way, that ridiculous excuse of a reply is not fooling anyone.

Now back to the issue at hand. Taking your example of destruction magic. If the spell did the same damage as my 2H sword power attack, then yes, ofcourse it will be the most powerful attack in the game. 1 spell and the whole room dies, even you can't argue that DW is better... But alas, it has no where near the same damage, so your comparison is inappropriate and invalid.

Apply that same logic to two-handed weapons. It does not do much more damage than one-handed weapons. It's radius is not even anywhere near 15 feet. Connect the dots.

Now for enemies who block. I should mention that my 2H power attacks against most common blocking enemies is a 1 hit kill regardless of whether they're blocking or not. But for the sake of argument I will assume that they survive the first hit.

Believe it or not, there are enemies who can survive a single power attack. The list of enemies only increases if they block said power attack.

Now, I've already said that for single enemies, DW may kill faster.

It does.

If not then you must acknowledge that there may be situations where 2H kills faster than DW.

I already have.

This is the point that I have been trying to get across. The difference in DPS between 2H and DW will vary according to the types of battles you encounter. It's not as black and white as some make it out to be.

Honestly, I believe it is. Feel free to disagree but I believe that there are far more encounters that are suited for a dual-wielder to come in and destroy things far faster than someone wielding a two-handed weapon than there are encounters of two-handed weaponry killing things faster than dual-wielding.

The sweep attack is the only pro for two-handed weaponry when it comes to damage. You keep going back to it over and over again. There are just many times in the game where you will not be facing the composition of enemies required to make said sweep attack out DPS dual-wielding. Like I said, feel free to disagree.

For all it's cons, it's really laughable that the sweep attack is the only pros that is to be found for two-handed wielders.

PS. (General statement) Yes, I know that they are both viable, but that's not what I'm discussing. You can also make Destruction magic viable. While this case is not as severe, it's still food for thought.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:18 am

I like 2 handed style but i gave up until i realized the power of dual-wielding using Elemental Fury shout. I swing faster than i can click. It's insane.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:11 am

Walk softly, carry a big (2H) stick.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:43 pm

I've stated that two-handed weaponry is not viable. Oh wait a second, I haven't. If you think I've been arguing that it isn't viable, you need to re-read some things.

Excellent. Seems both 1h and 2h are viable, it just boils down to playstyle.

Let me repeat myself since you've deluded yourself into a non-existent MMO argument that is irrelevant and has no place here. "I've stated that two-handed weaponry is not viable. Oh wait a second, I haven't. If you think I've been arguing that it isn't viable, you need to re-read some things."

Keep the dps to games where dps matters. Damage is king in Skyrim. I've been told dps IS important in MMOs however.

Let me repeat myself since you've deluded yourself into a non-existent MMO argument that is irrelevant and has no place here. "I've stated that two-handed weaponry is not viable."

Two Handed weapons are viable. They even do more damage compared to other weapons.

» Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:52 pm

Excellent. Seems both 1h and 2h are viable, it just boils down to playstyle.

Keep the dps to games where dps matters. Damage is king in Skyrim. I've been told dps IS important in MMOs however.

Two Handed weapons are viable. They even do more damage compared to other weapons.

You mustn't be so bright to think that viability means the same as equally efficient. I.e. Destruction magic is viable at inflicting damage but it's not as efficient as dual-wielding at inflicting damage.

PS. Your source is probably the single biggest entity when it comes to providing irrelevant and useless information. Or so I've been told. :wink:

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:03 am

Two handed weapons are way too slow, unrealistically slow. So I don't use them, bad gameplay. I even go one handed with off hand empty a lot of the time.

» Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:33 am

I like using one-handed swords without shields.