Yes! When discussing the topic of something being numerically superior, numbers should absolutely be provided!

You provided numbers for one specific aspect of the game; a character with weapon and crafting perks maxed out and abusing alchemy looping. Actually, no. You didn't even provide numbers, you provided the final result of numbers you've kept for yourself. But whatever. If your discussion of the topic had stayed at that then it would have been fine. But then it was pointed out that you need to abuse alchemy loopying to reach those numbers of yours which means they won't be relevant to most people, all you had to say was that it's not your fault if people unnecessarily "limit themselves." You then claimed that it was "hardly useful when discussing the usefulness of the weapon types" which right from the beginning showed you had no interest in figuring out which is "best" when, but to be able to say that you're right. And from then on you've continued to argue with people using your absolute maxed out numbers with people that everyone knows most likely weren't at and never will be at those numbers.


So, again, if you would actually provide your numbers then they could possibly be used to provide information that's relevant to people OTHER than those that use alchemy looping.

Not at all. This the internet in case you had not noticed. A link, you know the underlined bit you can click on ... takes you to another page ... perhaps with pertinant information.

Anyhoo your opinion which is certainly one gained by many hours is still just your opinion. There are other valid viewpoints.

Just sayin' ... you understand.

Now you're diving into the subjectiveness of "abuse". The crafting skills synergy is far from abuse.

Look, let me put it simple for you to understand, there are MANY variables and many ranges when it comes to effectiveness. Should I explore all of them when I'm only discussing about something specifically? No. Should I repeat myself over and over with mathematical data that's already been stated? No. I haven't seen anyone share this courtesy ever and I'm not going to start now.

I use to use a shield. but then I took an Arrow to the knee. now I'm a one hander/spell caster

Actually, no I'm not. No where in my post did I argue that alchemy looping should or shouldn't be used. I said it it's not relevant to the playstyles of most people.


That.... wasn't what I said. At all.

You can argue from whatever particularly variables you want, but then why continue to argue with other people and trade insults with them when you (should) realize that your particular variables don't apply to them?

You're speaking very generally when we should be talking about a case by case basis. Others need not reply to me if they don't want to. For some reason they do, and henceforth I continue to participate in this forum discussion because that's what happens in forum discussions.

PS. Please provide quote links so that they're easily reached if you do bother to look up specific cases. Otherwise I'll dismiss them as out of context quotes.

Gotta have a spell in the other hand

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