Has Bethesda taken too much flack? : Fallout: New Vegas

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:35 pm

I think that some people should remember that Obsidian made the game. Bethesda is getting way too much flack, they're caught in the middle and I wouldn't be surprised if they're as annoyed with Obsidian as a lot of people tend to be with Bethesda.

Will Bethesda be intersted in working with Obsidian again?

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:02 pm

Honestly, not excusing poor workmanship, but bugs in a big game are to be expected. They are frustrating at times, but honestly, I'm greatful for the work Devs did, they should have pushed back release, but its still a great game.

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:22 am

I always check my subcontractors work because ultimately I am responsible for the end product, not only is my name involved my reputation as well is attached to the quality of the work.
So Bethesda is just as responsible as Obsidian for New Vegas :nod:

bigcrazewolf

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:33 pm

I always check my subcontractors work because ultimately I am responsible for the end product, not only is my name involved my reputation as well is attached to the quality of the work.
So Bethesda is just as responsible as Obsidian for New Vegas :nod:

bigcrazewolf

......Don't you be logical......

I'm watching you. :verymad:

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:15 am

Bethesda laid the foundation, which is responsible for many, if not most, of the bugs. The engine just svcks. Obsidian has nothing to do with that.

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:45 pm

I think that some people should remember that Obsidian made the game. Bethesda is getting way too much flack, they're caught in the middle and I wouldn't be surprised if they're as annoyed with Obsidian as a lot of people tend to be with Bethesda.

Will Bethesda be intersted in working with Obsidian again?

why not? i like FO3. i like FO: vegas better. my version is very playable. sure things don't work as they should sometimes. i have been playing games for over 50 years, so bugs have been around since adam and eve.

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:02 pm

......Don't you be logical......

I'm watching you. :verymad:

Oh Colonel you have a tendency to make me laugh :lol:

on a daily basis................and for that I am thankful I owe you one :foodndrink:

bigcrazewolf

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:04 pm

I always check my subcontractors work because ultimately I am responsible for the end product, not only is my name involved my reputation as well is attached to the quality of the work.
So Bethesda is just as responsible as Obsidian for New Vegas :nod:

bigcrazewolf

From what I can tell Obsidian have made some good games in the past, notably KOTOR 2, which I've heard good things about and if Obsidian were having problems, would they really have let Bethesda know the full story, especially if they were under preasure to get it out for the release date?

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:33 am

Yes, i'm sure Bethesda is very annoyed that New Vegas has managed to make $300+ million in profit.

Bad Obsidian! Bad dog!

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:45 pm

From what I can tell Obsidian have made some good games in the past, notably KOTOR 2, which I've heard good things about and if Obsidian were having problems, would they really have let Bethesda know the full story, especially if they were under preasure to get it out for the release date?

KOTOR 2 was notably buggy at release.

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:20 pm

Bethesda laid the foundation, which is responsible for many, if not most, of the bugs. The engine just svcks. Obsidian has nothing to do with that.

So what about alpha protocal ? KoToR2 ?

Personally bethesda takes some faults as they laid the the foundation, but that dosent mean obsidian is immune from criticism and its all beths fault.

I havent had too many bugs, and would like to thank Obsicdian and Bethesda for making an amazing game.

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:55 pm

There will always be people complaining.
Some complaints are legitimate but sometimes poorly expressed.
Some simply love to complain, and some are only happy when they can flame something.

This is an issue that can be pretty bad on internet forums.

The people whining about something are unfortunately those that are the loudest.

Overall I think both Beth and Obsidian know that there are a lot of people (and I guess its the majority) that liked FO3 and/or FONV.

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:31 pm

Bethesda has a reputation for being cheap and clinging to outdated technology, and putting out bug riddled games. That's undeniable truth, whether or not they get flak, they won't change their ways until they... change their ways.

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:05 am

Bethesda's name is all over the game in great big huge letters, not obsidian's.

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:37 pm

in the end they made their piles of money and thats all that matters to them..the next game they put out will be in the exact same shape if they think they can get away with it and make just as much money..i still dont understand this attitude that some ppl have that it was acceptable for this game to be released in the shape it was..i think it hurts the gaming community as a whole when developers and publishers alike are given a pass for shoddy work being released like this onto an unsuspecting and trusting gaming community...

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:45 pm

Bethesda's name is all over the game in great big huge letters, not obsidian's.

Oh really, when I start the game I get a big intro screen which has the word 'Obsidian' taking up the whole monitor space. This is on PC, do consoles not have this then?

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:08 pm

Bethesda's name is all over the game in great big huge letters, not obsidian's.

Bethesda AND obsidian's name are all over the game in great big huge letters is what i think you should have said..

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:25 pm

Yeah, Obsidian does get that one slide that I nearly always skip past. Can't seem to skip past the Bethesda title slide.

» Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:14 am

Isnt Bethesda the ones who test the patches?

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:15 pm

If you actually look, Beth are the ones that did all the QA, and they produced it. So they are the ones in charge of Time tables and bug fixing. So any "released too early" and "too many bugs" are on them.

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:45 pm

KOTOR 2 was notably buggy at release.

Because it was rushed. The game barely got tested and there was enough cut content to make a full scale expansion. So take it up with LucasArts.

Returning to the topic, my opinion is that the problem lies with Gamebryo. So you can see where I'm going with this...

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:03 pm

I say they've taken too little. It's time we fired enough flak to bring it down like a B17 over Berlin!

Seriously though. What flak is Bethesda taking? I've only seen a small group of people on the forums railing on Bethesda and Obsidian...

» Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:49 am

Because it was rushed. The game barely got tested and there was enough cut content to make a full scale expansion. So take it up with LucasArts.

Returning to the topic, my opinion is that the problem lies with Gamebryo. So you can see where I'm going with this...

Isn t LucasArts the one who forced Obsidian to rush the game?

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:41 pm

Isn't that what snowy said Dario?

» Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:57 pm

Yes, i'm sure Bethesda is very annoyed that New Vegas has managed to make $300+ million in profit.

Bad Obsidian! Bad dog!

Wow. Do you have a link to support that $$ figure?