***PLEASE BEFORE READING,***

I humbly ask that if you DO decide to read (as nobody is forcing you), please read carefully. I have some praises in here, not just critiques. I am not trying to say that my word is law. I am wanting to understand why others disagree and I want this to be an open discussion, not an argument.
Just like how musical taste is highly personal. You can't argue that certain types of music are better than others. Everyone is wired differently. So please tell me why you like certain armors that I dislike, and tell me why you agree with me, too.


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I believe in wearing the armor that I feel looks the best, and is best suited to my race and role, rather than equipping the gear with the best stats.

HOWEVER...

I would have a completely different opinion however, if all of the armors looked appealing to me.
I absolutely refuse to wear some of the disgusting looking gear that TES has always annoyed me with, just so that I can avoid dying less.
The last thing I am, is in a rush to be finished playing Skyrim.
I would rather have a more challenging experience, than to have it more easy, based on a compromise involving me choosing to wear gear that I hate myself in.

For example, glass armor. I never wear it no matter what.

Why? Because I don't want to be a Nord in green Lantern suit. [censored] glass armor.

Another example, Daedric armor. I never wear it no matter what.

Why? Because I have no interest in looking like satan.

On to Elven. I am a Nord. I will not wear pretty Elven armor.

Dwarven - dwarven is tied with Daedric as being the ugliest, but I feel that it is more stupid of a concept than ugly.

Everything from the first invention of Dwarves by Tolkien, to the English Dictionary definition of dwarves defines them as SHORT in stature.

I am a tall Nord, in a dwarf armor set? How does that make sense? I have had this problem with dwarven armor since Oblivion.

If the lore describes the Dwemer as being tall, then call them Dwemer. Not Dwarves. Horrible choice of name by Bethesda.

*I WANT TO MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR*
-which is why I used all caps... I KNOW THE LORE on Dwarves in TES. They are the Dwemer, and are described as being tall. My Huge problem with that is the fact that the Dwemer armor is called Dwarven armor! WTF? How does this make sense! Dwarves have been in RPG and fantasy stories LONG before TES was ever invented, and they have ALWAYS BEEN SHORT! Just like the English dictionary describes dwarves! Why the hell did Bethesda call Dwarves Dwemer in lore, but then Dwarves when referring to their armor, and other constructs?

Just so that when EVERY SINGLE RACE in TES suits up in Dwarven gear, they are tall people in dwarf suits? How, how, how does this fit???

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Finally, Orcish. Same exact issue. I just never understood TES featuring tall, slim, humanoid Orcs. So, their armor is out.

One may be thinking after reading my rant that I shouldn't be playing TES at all if I hate so much about the gear (not to mention I despise khajiits).


……………My closing remarks will answer that question:………………


My answer to that is: Bethesda has always done an absolutely outstanding job with the way that their leather, iron, steel, and ebony armors look. And with the addition of beautiful dragon armor, the good outweighs the bad in my opinion even more!

I usually only wear the unique, rare, artifact gears anyway, such as from quest rewards and rare finds.


OPINIONS, DISAGREEMENTS, AND RANTS WELCOMED AND REQUESTED!

Dwemer. Not dwarves. DWEMER FFS! Whats wrong with you people? They are NOT short!

dwemer were not short btw XD

and yes I only agree that deadric armor is kinda meh-ish but I don't like spikes anyways

all armor is TES skyrim looks pretty good actually what bugs me in fact is that we don't have even MORE of it

and elven armor looks amazing

The giants thought they were short compared to them, so that's why they're called dwarves.

LOL, true, true but devs change things to fit their fantasy world. Just look at glass weapons and armour, really no one in their right mind would use them.

You just have to accept that people have differing tastes, so Beth can't please everyone all the time. Be thankful that you can use enchanting and / or smithing to make your favourite looking gear powerful.

Im not a lore master, but dwemer were originally called dwarves after giants named them that. Not 100% sure about that one, but in any case, most of the armor is being manufactured now, not by dwemer, which means it can be for any size.

As for Daedric, if youre playing a somewhat evil character, it makes sense.

With Elven armor, i can understand if it isnt appealing to a Nord or Orc, but i can see most of the other races wearing it.

I still think there shouldnt be much to complain about though, being that better looking but less effective armor can at least be upgraded. I for one like the look of most armors in the game. Dont know if ill go Daedric, but everything else is suitable

I'd rather wear steel armor than Daedric, because I'm a role player, so I agree with you. I like looking cool but also practical so if I'm role playing as a companian (The guild) I would't wear Daedric because it makes no sense, I also like a challenge, but it would be nice if I could give my steel armor the rating of Daedric by destroying a set of Daedric armor so I could be effecient AND stylish. And by the way, Daedric armor looks more like a demonic bird. ( :

Dwarven armor isn't even worn by the dwarves in the first place - It's the husk of a Steam Centurion!. Have you seen how big THOSE are?

Dwemer are called Dwarves because that's the name that stuck. It's the same reason humans call Altmer, Bosmer, and Dunmer "Elves", and the armor's called "Elven Armor" instead of "Aldmeri Armor."

If you don't like Elven or Glass armors, then wear Leather, Scale, and Dragonscale armors.

Daedric armor is the "best" because it's supernaturally powerful. However, my Steel armor competes well with Daedric in terms of protective value because I've forged it to Legendary strength.

You're a [censored] Elf-sympathizer if you use any of the following terms:
Altmer instead of High or [censored] Elf
Bosmer instead of Wood Elf
Dunmer instead of Dark Elf
Dwemer instead of Dwarf
Daedra instead of Demon (Yes, Demon is the non-Aldmeri word for Daedra)
Aedra instead of God
Auri-El instead of Akatosh
Trinimac instead of Malakath
Lorkhan instead of Shor or Shezzar

Id just like to point out that in Tamriel dwarves are elves.
Dwemer, mer meaning elf, the deep folk.
They were called dwarves by giants, but are about the same height as any other mannish or merish race.

Well, personally, I think the over-the-top armor is made to look that way to appeal more to the mainstream audience.

I only wear armour that I like as well, though I'm not as picky. I prefer function over form, unless the design is outrageously ugly. I've avoided deadric armour in Oblivion because of its design, and stuck to ebony armour instead.

Disagree on most points. I agree on Glass armor though, its ugly as sin and its a real shame. The design in this version is much better than Oblivions, but as long as they insist on bile green/gold as the main colours I wont wear it. Daedric is frikin sweet imo, and perfect for high level warriors of the nasty kind. Specifically I have daedric on my deathknight and its damn sweet. Elven is nice, and the helmet redesign from Oblivion is very well done. I have Elven on my jack of all trades bosmer and it looks frikin sweet.

For me the main issues are nice armor sets ruined by fugly parts. Like steel plate, looks great hands, head, feet and chest, but the leggings (as part of the chest) as frikin ugly and ruin the look of the armor. I dont see why I have to runaround with a rug attached to my characters waist, front and rear. And if your going to do carapice like overlapping sheets, do it for carapace armor NOT plate steel leggings.

Then there is the Dragon armors. Without to much fuss I will simply say they are frikin ugly, or fugly for short. I get that its made from scales, but why oh why is it brown? Did I kill any brown dragons? No, none of them are brown so why are the armors made from the scales a turd brown colour? Lastly though is the female armors, and how badly made they are. Again why is a female in deadric wearing a rug over her ass? Why does some armors clip so bad when worn on a female? And why do most of the armors have tin briasts cut in them? Seriously, only armor like Orcish or mage robes has a a decent chest design without making a female character look bad.

You can call them Dwarfes.. (As the Markarth city guard does) BUT they are infact elves if am not misstaken?

Dwarfen looks descent up until the helmet
Ebony is just but ugly and makes me look like an alien
Daedric makes me look like a daedra wannabe

I still go for steel Or fur/Leather

You can hit armor cap with almost every armor type in the game, as long as you smith.

Here is the simple, simple story, and bottom line you all:

DWEMER - defined as normal height in TES lore, and NOT SHORT.

Dwarves - defined in The English Dictionary as short people.

Could somebody explain to me how Dwemer armor, Dwemer ruins, Dwemer artifacts, etc. Etc. Inherited the adjective of "Dwarven?"

If Lore can answer this question by explaining that it is because Giants viewed Dwemer as short when compared to giants,

Then my rebuttal is - how in Oblivion does it make sense for Bethesda to go ahead and NAME everything related to the Dwemer as Dwarven?

Completely stupid!

Giants were never even in Oblivion, so there is no way to even TRY to defend it in regards to Dwarven gear in Oblivion.

In Skyrim, giants make up 5% of the population in the entire province.

So what about every playable race? Why should we see Dwemer armor as "Dwarven?" Why?

When dwarven armor is worn, it fits every race. From elves to Nords. Every playable race is nowhere near the heigh of a dwarf, save for Bosmer, but I don't understand a wood elf in a dwarf armor set anyway. That would be TES version of a transvestite.

Every time my Nord equips a Dwarven armor piece, I want to spit on the screen!

Orsimer are also Merfolk so they are generally slim and trim, they are elves, but since their bastardization they have grown ugly, and strong,

I didn't like Glass armor in Oblivion but they did it right this time around, have you even seen it in game? It no longer resembles anything Green Lantern-esqe

lol you should see the one from morrowind XD

Simple - The Nords/Nedes got the name from the indiginous Giants when they came - If the Giants call them Dwarves, then why would they want to call them anything different? It just causes communication mix-ups.

Only later did they meet the Elves, who said what the giants and then Humans called "Dwarves" were actually "Dwemer" - and then went on to criticize every other point of the human language. Rather than completely overhaul all the names in their language, the Nedes/Nords killed the elves for being arrogant [censored] and kept calling the "dwemer" Dwarves and Orsimer Orcs.

Also - Dwarven armor wasn't worn by Dwarves - It was used to protect the servos of their Centurions. Yes, you're wearing a suit of Power Armor when you equip Dwarven Armor in TES.

The ghosts of Dwemer were short, the only living dwemer was short and ingame authors frequently use Dwemer and Dwarves interchangeably. What are we suppose to think?

giants pretty just roam around Skyrim, and Skyrim was the first pronvince that humans came to from atmora. so when they pointed and asked "whats the building with all the golden pipes?" the giants said "oh thats where the dwarves lived"

if you are so dense to get hung-up on one word in a fantasy setting maybe its time for a reality check

The ghosts of the Dwemer were no shorter than any Elf, and the only reason the only living Dwarf was short was because he was missing the lower half of his body.

nope i remember them quite well they were normal size wearing robes and having Mesopotamian style beards, and the only living one was crippled and bloated beyond recognition from sickness

I did explain it, in my above post.
Ill go into further detail.

In the beginning there were the Ehlnofey. Some stayed and some wandered.
Those that stayed became the indigenous people of Tamriel.
The forefathers of the elves were called the Aldmer.
Various religious and political schisms caused groups of Aldmer to separate from the main group.
Among the first to do so were Dwemer, and Chimer.
The Dwemer went north. There they encountered another branch of Ehlnofey, that had become the giants.
The giants named the Dwemer 'Dwarves'.

All this happened a long time ago, about 6000 years or more.
The name just stuck.

This actually makes total, complete sense! Wow I have never heard it explained this way, and I thought I knew a great deal of lore, but I am not adept in it.

No offense, but is this accurate? If so, then I am looking at Dwarven gear in a better light from here on out!


I still need to get over Daedric making me feel like some guy wearing a demon possessed porcupine suit.


And what is the deal with orcs being tall in TES lore???