Wasn't there a huge negative outlook on morrowind as well? After a couple games being released badly from BGS I remember that people didn't think Morrowind would be any good.

Note: We all know it's a different company. I am giving an example.

I have high hopes and negative feelings for this game. huh... Seems to me that ES:O is as confusing as a woman.

I completely agree with the OP. I am an avid MMO gamer and a loyal fan of the Elder Scrolls series. Yet, I was totally disappointed with the announcement.

As a fan of Elder Scrolls I was disappointed to see the removal of many of the features I have come to love in the series; Player housing, player infected vampires, werewolves, skill based character development, twitch based combat, and a living breathing world. You should be able to own a house. You should be able to be infected by a vampire and become a vampire. You should be free to develop your character, not be stuck in generic class arc-types. The world NPCs should also move around and interact with each other like they do in the games. At night the local blacksmith should be asleep in his house, not standing in his shop immobile waiting for you to drop in.

As an MMO gamer I don't want to see another WoW clone. None of the major MMO studios innovate anymore. Most are content to make mediocre MMOs that fizzle out soon after launch. Sure copy what works from WoW, but don't simply clone the game with a Bethesda twist. WoW is a linear theme-park level grinder. That is not the only kind of MMO that exists. Linear and level-grinder are not two things I associate with the Elder Scrolls.

I will give Bethesda credit for bringing back some old school MMO concepts. Three faction PvP and open world dungeons are ideas that were forgotten in more modern MMOs. I have my doubts about open world dungeons, but in general I like these concepts. Visually I think the game looks nice as well. However, that's where it ends.

Based on what I've heard and read I envision another in a long line of extremely average MMOs.

You haven't played many "MMOs" have you? Do you know what that stands for? MMO? Massively Multiplayer Online. That's it, that's the only thing that is needed for a game to be an MMO: large-scale online gameplay. Maybe you think by saying MMO you are implying MMORPG, which is an MMO subgenre. Did you know there are space MMOs, MMO first-person shooters and EVEN *gasp* fantasy MMORPGs with real-time combat, first-person gameplay and skill-based level-less progression? Perhaps before you decide to lump people under the "idiot" and/or "ignorant" banner, that you don't put yourself under those banners in the same breath.

I'm going to play GW2. It is my next most anticipated game after Diablo3. However, I do not see myself playing a GW2 or WOW clone, which TESO appears to be.

There's a very simple explanation: Those who don't know who'd behind the MMO are terrified that bethesda is going to make an MMO, possibly ruining the single-player TES. But bethesda isn't behind it, so there's nothing to worry about.

Disagreed on all counts.
This has nothing to do with the TES series, this is not a TES game.
Like Battlespire and Redguard, this is an ES game, but not in the RPG format of the main series.
Like the other ES games that do not fit in the main series, it seems they have been true to lore.

This means nothing for the main RPG series, there has been no abandonment of features, because this is not a TES RPG and is not even made by Bethesda.

Many people here seam to have reading issues.

Bethesda is not working on this Game.
This Game is in development since 2007.

And no you don't know it better than Zenimax Online, Mr InternetExpertForEverything.

You keep saying the same thing regardless of the content of the posts you reply to, and it shows. The quoted text didn't say this was a TES game, made no claims that it was being made by Bethesda, or that it would affect the TES series proper. What you said is true, but irrelevant in the context of this thread. No one is claiming that the sky is falling on the TES series. What we are saying is that this is looking to be a name milking borefest of a by-the-numbers MMO that is doomed to failure in the same way every other by-the-numbers MMO has in the last few years.

And I, at least, think that's a shame, because Zenimax is missing out on a great opportunity.

Different team but its the same company, Zenimax media.

No, my reply was to the point as it was on this bit:

"Regardless of the state of the recently revealed game or its ability to stand on it's own as an MMO, the development team has departed significantly from the features that characterized previous Elder Scrolls games and has resulted in a backlash from the fan base.

With the leak of some detailed information on game play, many have begun to wonder if the title of Elder Scrolls Online should be replaced with something more fitting a traditional MMO "Based upon the lore of the Elder Scrolls Series".

Its the 'features that characterise previous..' and 'based upon the lore..' that make little sense, the reason of which I explained in my reply.

I dont know about the gameplay mechanics, as I do not know MMO's, but I do know that this does not warp the lore of the series, nor has anything to do at all really with the gameplay mechanics of the main RPG series.

Scary but true. I've seen professional journalists covering TESO with negativity, even in the headline of their articles. I have never seen so much unanimous disappointment for a AAA game before.

But really, if you're going to butcher the core mechanics of what players love about TES THIS much, the developers have got to be crazy not to have seen it coming.

How can you be a professional journalist and write something positive or negative when you don't know a thing about what you're writing? If they were professionals they just reported and left their bias out of it.

What lore? TES lore? According to TESO, in the second era the Bretons and Redguards banded together to put Orcs on the throne of Tamriel, while the Nords were fighting to raise a Dunmer to the status of Emperor. I'd argue that even the lore is messed up.

For starters, there is no such thing as a professional game journalist. There just isn't.

Well, it's more 'reacting' to the way the Game Informer article made the game out to be. Even journalists are highlighting how similar to other MMOs it sounds, and how far from the TES gameplay fans adore the game is diverting.

People who complain are always the loudest. If this forum is anything to go by, the majority of people would be against the MMO. In reality this is probably not the case.

And that depends entirely on your definition of professional. I'm basing it on 'professional' means they're employed to write about games for a living, not doing it as a hobby on their own little blog, but on big websites.

according to lore, it was a time of great civil strife, of which little knowledge survived in the chaos.

Find articles about the game on various sites, and read down the comments sections (Game Informer, Joystiq, Kotaku, etc). You'll be surprised. It's certainly strongest on the forum, but even on other sites the negativity far outweighs the optimism.

At the moment I think it's a knee jerk reaction that this just ISN'T like the TES games they know and love. Once we see some gameplay, maybe that will change.

I fear this might actually be the case. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if TESO was actually a very, very good MMO, but it would have to shut down anyway because of the player-hate.

While only a few bother with forums i've never seen another game get this many negative comments.

In reality people love the TES series because its not a MMO. This MMO will not have any of the features that made the TES series great. It just borrows some lore in the hopes of exploiting the popularity of the TES series. I think and hope it backfires. They should have made a generic fantasy mmo with another name instead.

Take it from the lore monkey that is me.
It really hasnt been.

We know very little of the events of the second era and its not like what player in the MMO goes for emperor suddenly becomes canon lore.
It is perfectly possible that during the interregnum there were several factions fighting for the ruby throne.

if the fundamental basics of a game dont fit in an MMO, dont make it into an MMO.

but this is stupid cause other games already includet the fundamental basics of TES in MMOs. they are just making up excuses to make it more like WoW cause they think it will sell better.


i also love when people complain about complainers. so i get you dont WANT a better game?

Sure, and I'm no lore expert, but I'm pretty sure Orsinium went through some tough times back then. Orcs were treated very much like run-of-the-mill monsters. And Nords swearing fealty to a Dark Elf? Hmmmm....

and the blades werent a secret order of dragonslayers.