Headline: ESO - The most negatively received "reveal&#34

Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:36 pm

Its a bit more than "its not like other ES games". The only, ONLY connection to the ES series this mmo appears to have is the lore. Now, the problem with this is that when the fans of ES games hear of an ES MMO, they get these things we call "expectations". This game is apparently going to fall very far from many fan's expectations. The other problem with this is that the "silent majority" (i guess you'd call it) who enjoy MMOs are already playing one. Why would they give up that one to play the SAME EXACT GAME except with a slight Elder Scroll flavor? Especially when that crowd is getting rather tired of the industry mmo standard that this game is hell bent on following.

The problem isn't gamers getting expectations, the problem is people acting like the world is ending because a game is coming out that they aren't going to like, when the proper solution to that is: don't like it don't play it.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 3:30 am

I have read so much negative comments to the MMO it's insane. Looks like those five years they put into this game are going to be for nothing.
Indeed, they should never have bothered making this since they should have known this was coming
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:56 pm

I can't take much of the negativity seriously, considering it happened on day 1 of the announcement with vague information available.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:40 am

I can't take much of the negativity seriously, considering it happened on day 1 of the announcement with vague information available.

The information is not vague. The entire article was posted, every page...revealing details of systems, etc.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:19 pm

I can't take much of the negativity seriously, considering it happened on day 1 of the announcement with vague information available.

I don't take any of it seriously. Never have. Not in this forum, not in the Skyrim forum, not in the Oblivion forum...

It's just a bunch of people whining for the sake of whining. I doubt they even believe half the stuff they are spewing.

I have to believe that, because it's a better alternative than people just being this spoiled, entitled, and whiny.

And this is coming from someone who doesn't think this game is going to impress.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:23 am

The information is not vague. The entire article was posted, every page...revealing details of systems, etc.

Yes but this same article also detailed how the usual mmo classes were spiced up by having complementary effects such as a warrior spinning in a mage's fire spell to create some sort of whirling dervish.

Even if the game is based on known mechanics, this is not neccesarily a bad thing.
They can take all the tried and tested bits of those and add new flavours.

That may be overly optimistic but the point is that you are being overly pessimistic.
At this junction we really do not have enough knowledge to objectively judge one way or another and just like with Skyrim we will not be able to until about one month after release.

What we can do in the meantime is petition the little bits.
Like urge them to stay true to lore.
Imga in Summurset and all that.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:41 pm

From my point of view, it's a little drastic to be making all of these claims right now. The game doesn't release until late 2013 and we have almost NO info on it except for a few screenshots.

Personally, I don't have an opinion yet. Would I like to see an ES MMO pulled off nicely? Yes. Do I think it's possible for ESO to be "sub-par"? Yes. But none of that has happened yet. If it doesn't play true to the series then I won't play it. If they pull it off wonderfully you can bet your horse armor that I'll play it. Until either of those happens there's no point in dividing our community based on such little information.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:36 am

From my point of view, it's a little drastic to be making all of these claims right now. The game doesn't release until late 2013 and we have almost NO info on it except for a few screenshots.

Well, plenty of people have read the leaked scans. And I actually have the June issue of Game Informer, got it yesterday. It has a bit of extra info tagged onto the screenshots that's not present in the scans.

Edit: Here's the captions from the screenshots in the June Issue of Game Informer:

"The art is stylized rather than chasing photorealism like Skyrim or Oblivion -- which is practically impossible to pull off with 200 characters on screen -- but designs like this archway should be familiar"

"The mountains in the distance bound the playable area, but the studio is doing its best to avoid the "content bowl" zone design seen in most MMOs, in favor of more natural terrain"

"The Nord fortress at Windhelm is instantly recognizable to most Skyrim players"

"NPC conversations are much more than quest text boxes. They are fully voiced and acted, just as every Elder Scrolls fan expects"

"The dunmer architecture in Mournhold brings Morrowind memories flooding back -- minus the horrific (by modern standards) textures and models"

"In addition to the different silhouettes presented by each class and role, groups of abilities share color schemes in their effects. Heals, for example, are typically green"

"Taking advantage of the game's unusual (for an MMO) system of blocking and interrupting is advised against tough monsters like this flesh atronach."

"The nine playable races are distinct from each other in gameplay as well as art, but the studio isn't talking about racial traits yet."

"Players are never punished for working together. If you help someone kill a monster, even if you're not grouped together, everyone gets full experience, loot, and quest credit."

"Returning enemies like this spider daedra use their iconic abilities against you as well as a few new tricks in most cases."

"The open-world PvP endgame in Cyrodiil is accessible from an early level through a bolstering system that increases your base stats to level-cap values."

"This flame atronach is one of the many foes found in the volcanic public dungeon under Morrowind."

"Not all enemies are monsters like this kagouti. Many of the adventures you have reinforce the burning conflict between the three player factions and the necromancy-corrupted Imperials."
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:09 pm

The information is not vague. The entire article was posted, every page...revealing details of systems, etc.

Yes, one article.

No gameplay videos, a few screenshots and an outline of how some things might work. To myself, I don't consider that enough to completely hate the game. I'll just wait until we see more in the coming future.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:28 pm

How does this impact the lore when lore wise they can do whatever they want with those events?
It really does not matter one iota how many heroes there are or who gets the ruby throne in the end as all that will eventually be canonical lore is that in that time of the second era three large factions stood at each others throat while at the same time facing a threat from the heartlands.
In the end one faction was victorious, but this entire political situation dissolved when emperor Cuhlecain took the ruby throne.
Just in time to be assasinated and followed by Tiber Septim.

Lore-wise there really isnt any disjunction like some make it out to be.

Yes, true. But what if a certain location, like say, Valenwood was portrayed as a bland, underwhelming temperate forest? If Beth were to make TES VI in Valenwood, they would have to make it that same lame forest.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:48 pm

As a long time TES fan and Bethesda customer I view the reveal very negatively too

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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 2:38 am

Great headline OP. So true.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:40 pm

Thank Talos you managed to vanquish the great Daedric lord Molag Bal!! We are all in your debt, Champion!

"Um actually he respawned as I was leaving. I don't think he's really dead."

You are hereby named Hero of the Empire and awarded this fine set of dragonscale armor!

"No, really. There was another group of guys waiting for him. One had a flaming sword."

The whole of Tamriel is in your debt, Hero. Go now, and rest easy. You've certainly earned it.

[Shout]Wolowizard69: Need tank for Molag Bal. Please /w!
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:58 pm

Anyway nobody will play this game.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:53 pm

that news about PvP are great. But can i also level with it like in GW 2?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:05 pm

that's because most of the people complaining are idiots or ignorant ..or both. They complain that "its not like other ES games" Most are complaining thats its not like the single player rpg just with multiplayer.

This is a MMO, it is going to be made like an MMO, this game is made for people who like MMO's and enjoy playing MMO's. This game is not nor will not be catered to the small yet loud minority of people who dont like MMO's and basically want a multiplayer skyrim

However, that does not mean you need to make it into GW2/WoW or another popular MMO with a TES "skin"

Be ORIGINAL. I would love a TES MMO, as long as it has something new. If there is nothing new, why not play the already established MMOs?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:21 pm

Thank Talos you managed to vanquish the great Daedric lord Molag Bal!! We are all in your debt, Champion!

"Um actually he respawned as I was leaving. I don't think he's really dead."

You are hereby named Hero of the Empire and awarded this fine set of dragonscale armor!

"No, really. There was another group of guys waiting for him. One had a flaming sword."

The whole of Tamriel is in your debt, Hero. Go now, and rest easy. You've certainly earned it.

[Shout]Wolowizard69: Need tank for Molag Bal. Please /w!
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You do realise you cannot actually kill any daedra let alone a Daedra Prince, right?
You can banish them unto the waters of Oblivion but never kill them.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:37 pm

What we need from a new MMO is something different.

Totally, different.

Elder Scrolls + WoW mechanics = Fail sale.



That cannot be emphasized enough. I'm not interested in another WoW with different lore - which appears to be the route TES Online is going. With Bethesda's current track record on the PC side, I predict they'll botch the launch. I'm looking forward to playing GW2, instead.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 12:47 am

That cannot be emphasized enough. I'm not interested in another WoW with different lore - which appears to be the route TES Online is going. With Bethesda's current track record on the PC side, I predict they'll botch the launch.

The game is, if anything, a Guild wars 2 clone more then it is a WoW clone.
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 3:10 am

I love Elder Scrolls games! Playing Skyrim again today

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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:10 pm

Why make an ES MMO when it doesn't look and feel like one?
I think they would have better luck if they used the Fallout IP with some new gameplay elements and with a more realistic look to appeal the advlt market. Like Gaiden Shinji always said: Try to be better or don't even try.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:34 pm

Why make an ES MMO when it doesn't look and feel like one?
I think they would have better luck if they used the Fallout IP with some new gameplay elements and with a more realistic look to appeal the advlt market. Like Gaiden Shinji always said: Try to be better or don't even try.

I'd much have rathered them failing out on a Fallout MMO than the Elder Scrolls. :\
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Post » Tue May 15, 2012 1:15 am

Yeah but the Fallout setting would bring some something new on the table if it remains realistic,unlike the fantasy setting which is overused imo.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:41 pm

Yeah but the Fallout setting would bring some something new on the table if it remains realistic,unlike the fantasy setting which is overused imo.

They couldn't use the Fallout setting since they were in a legal battle with Interplay over the MMO Interplay was trying to make since when they sold the rights they had a clause in the contract to still be able to make a Fallout MMO. Bethesda later sued them for breach of contract but I'm still not sure if it's been fully resolved. So there's no way Bethesda/Zenimax could use the Fallout IP for the MMO.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:45 pm

Yes, true. But what if a certain location, like say, Valenwood was portrayed as a bland, underwhelming temperate forest? If Beth were to make TES VI in Valenwood, they would have to make it that same lame forest.

No they wouldn't.

As far as I am aware, in Arena, their own canon, Bethesda portrayed Cyrodiil as a jungle like territory, and in Oblivion it became more foresty and plains like.
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