[Jeremy Kenney]

After hearing a few main rumors of Hearthfire, I think I have come to a conclusion what it might be and I wish for opinions and thoughts on this conclusion, not Hearthfire itself.

The 3 rumors I heard about Hearthfire are as follows:
Magic Base
Building Your Own House
And Zombies.

Now.. Here is my conclusion of how all three of these rumors can be true and connected, in a way... In Tamriel, there is a month known as Hearthfire and there is a holiday on this month which is called "Tales and Tallows", if I'm correct. The holiday is for Necromancers and to celebrate the magic of resurrecting the Undead.. With this magic being legal now, my thought is that there is a group of Necromancers that are working to achieve something powerful this year and will be doing so on this holiday. What would they do? My best guess will be that they will try to bring back a very powerful Necromancer, or mage, from the dead as a Lich OR their leader will perform the ritual to become a Lich himself. They will most likely succeed and this Lich will be raising an undead army until it is time to attack... The actually questline of the DLC will begin when the Lich made its first attack and it shall go from here...

This explains the whole "Zombie" rumor but what about Magic or the House? Well.. The Lich will be a powerful magic user and will prolly use a lot of spells already in game, as well as new ones.. So they may update the spells and add the new ones to help make the battle more of a fight, and so on... So therefore, this would be a good time for a magic update.. Now for the house.. Well.. They did say something about a Skeleton Butler, no? So.. What if they add the option of building your own house in this DLC and doing a quest, or part of the questline, will unlock the Skeleton Butler... So.. There you go.. My conclusion..

Oh! I'm gonna throw this out there.. They could also turn this into a Conjuration-Base DLC where the Necromancers will be fighting with the Conjurers (Daedra Summoners) and you get to pick a side... Could add more Daedra finally, eh?

~Edit~

About the whole "Eye of Magnus" stuff people been saying and wanting... I'm gonna bet that Skyrim's BIG DLC will be base on that which will most likely be the last DLC, not Hearthfire.

[Anne marie]

Don't forget Daedric summoning days are in the month of Hearthfire, and a very important ritual involving the psijics. I think it will be the psijics since they never really got that much attention. I believe you only see them 5 times for less than a minute in the entire game.

[Hazel Sian ogden]

If I'm correct, you only see them like 3-times in the College Questline... One was a warning. Second was Guidance and the last was to take the stone.

[Marie]

the Necromancers will be fighting with the Conjurers (Daedra Summoners) and you get to pick a side...

Oh geez I hope not. They may as well be cut and pasting the Dawnguard dlc at that point. I hope they're a little more creative than that.
But yeah, as I've mentioned before: Hearthfire (if it is the name of the next dlc) is most likely going to be magic based. They've already done the fighters and vampires. Magic is next, or perhaps werewolves. There's a 50/50 chance of being right.

[Colton Idonthavealastna]

Oh geez I hope not. They may as well be cut and pasting the Dawnguard dlc at that point. I hope they're a little more creative than that.
But yeah, as I've mentioned before: Hearthfire (if it is the name of the next dlc) is most likely going to be magic based. They've already done the fighters and vampires. Magic is next, or perhaps werewolves. There's a 50/50 chance of being right.

Like I said, my theory I have on OP is prolly the magic-base one.. And The whole Necro VS Conjurer thing was just random thought that I made up at the spot. Not part of my main theory.

[Matt Bee]

How large a DLC do all of you think it will be? As big as DG, bigger, or smaller?

For a point of reference: It took me 17 hours to do the main DG quest with one faction, and a total of roughly 30 hours for the entire DLC/expansion. I fast travelled always.

[Chris Duncan]

How large a DLC do all of you think it will be? As big as DG, bigger, or smaller?

For a point of reference: It took me 17 hours to do the main DG quest with one faction, and a total of roughly 30 hours for the entire DLC/expansion. I fast travelled always.

Here's your problem.

[lolli]

I'm confused about these zombie speculations where do they come from? I know the others are from a rumor and a book.

[Prohibited]

Supposedly Bethesda had 5 dlc's planned 4 small dlc's then one bigger one.

DG is one of the smaller ones. The next one is probably going to be roughly the same size as DG. I'm rooting for it being magic based, we need a revamp of that system I would use it more often if they improved it.


The Zombie thing comes from Necromancy. Draugr's, zombies, dead thralls etc etc.

[scorpion972]

-hugs his self made Robes of Ultimate Destruction.. 50 percent cost reduct, 120 some odd magic regen boost- I like blowing things up with destruction. More spells to do that with is always welcome, but untill then I think I'm gonna dive back into DG and resume turning Vampires into ash. I could really care less about more undead unless it involves a Grim Reaper style summons. Otherwise I want my Daedroths, Spider Daedra, Golden Saints, and Winged Twilights back.. a Sabre Cat familiar would be nice. the wolf is almost useless even at level one. And if it's not magic related at all, any thing that involves more kill cams please! Still can't stop giggling when i stab some one in the face or suplex them so hard their head explodes

[Causon-Chambers]

Looking at what Hearthfire is, the most likely scenario is that a dlc with this name would evolve around conjuration. (The book in game with the same name raises conjuration)
It may involve witches (Witches appear in the story in the book(s))

[Breautiful]

Werewolves, then Vampires DLC, next Zombies DLC, yawn.
I love Sykrim, but I am 0% interested in more of such teenage soap stuff.
Killing just more of the cursed and undead sounds plain boring to me.

I hope that at some point Sykrim DLC will bring something for advlt players, like an extended Dragonborn story with deeper relations and more marriage/family options, like becoming a Jarl and having diplomacy with other holds and founding an own dynasty. Yes, fighting is cool, but relation building should also be part of a role playing game.

[Siobhan Wallis-McRobert]

Werewolves, then Vampires DLC, next Zombies DLC, yawn.
I love Sykrim, but I am 0% interested in more of such teenage soap stuff.
Killing just more of the cursed and undead sounds plain boring to me.

I hope that at some point Sykrim DLC will bring something for advlt players, like an extended Dragonborn story with deeper relations and more marriage/family options, like becoming a Jarl and having diplomacy with other holds and founding an own dynasty. Yes, fighting is cool, but relation building should also be part of a role playing game.

While I agree with your second point - that kind of depth would be a great way of expanding the gameplay as well as the quests etc. - I think it's a bit quick to dismiss all vampire/werewolf/zombie stuff as 'teenage soap stuff'. It depends entirely on how it's done. Bloodmoon, for example, was an excellent expansion about werewolves, featuring undead nords and whatnot.

[tegan fiamengo]

Don't forget Daedric summoning days are in the month of Hearthfire, and a very important ritual involving the psijics. I think it will be the psijics since they never really got that much attention. I believe you only see them 5 times for less than a minute in the entire game.

This. Psijics, and the Eye of Magnus "resolution", however that's handled.

The entire questline is SO open-ended that they just about HAVE to do SOMETHING with it. If prior games' DLCs are a guide, it will NOT be more of the same types of things. What I mean by that is that there are already several PC vs. evil mage quests in the game itself. This would, to me, say that an entire necromantic questline is probably out of the question, especially on the tails of DG. IF any kind of "continuation" of story were to take place, I think it would make more sense for it to be with Solstheim/werewolves, but again, prior games and DG say no.

My guess is that the Eye has something to do with a reintroduction of the Dwemer in some way.

[IM NOT EASY]

The idea about the Psijic order seems to be the most popular. There could be something about the Dwemer but I haven't much evidence to back that up

[P PoLlo]

While I agree with your second point - that kind of depth would be a great way of expanding the gameplay as well as the quests etc. - I think it's a bit quick to dismiss all vampire/werewolf/zombie stuff as 'teenage soap stuff'. It depends entirely on how it's done. Bloodmoon, for example, was an excellent expansion about werewolves, featuring undead nords and whatnot.

Tee

Werewolves, then Vampires DLC, next Zombies DLC, yawn.
I love Sykrim, but I am 0% interested in more of such teenage soap stuff.
Killing just more of the cursed and undead sounds plain boring to me.

Teenage soap stuff? Please, you do realize werewolves, vampires and undead have been in the ES universe before that crap of Dragonborn or any of the stupid Thalmor ever showed up, right? You DO realize that we had these things since the first damn Elder Scrolls game? I think people should stop being blind and face the fact that just because media polluted glorious dark and gritty folklore into a teenage love affair, doesn't mean Bethesda cannot abide by the rules and go back from the start.

Did you see any werewolves or vampires fighting for a human girl in Dawnguard? No.

Did you see a clan of vampires who love to feed on animals only? No. Go to the Volkihar dining table and see for yourself.

Did see a loving family of romantic vampires being friendly to mortals? No.

I guess these days, people like you are so blinded by your own arrogance, that you fail to see that Elder Scrolls was first made up of lore such as Jagar Tharn, a Lich. Mannimarco, a Lich. Werewolves and vampires. They have been there way before your little precious dragonborn even reared his ugly head into the series.

That is all.

[Tyler F]

Mannimarco, a Lich.

You know.... What if the Necromancers are planning to have Mannimarco return? He was their leader in the past after all....

[jessica Villacis]

I guess these days, people like you are so blinded by your own arrogance, that you fail to see that Elder Scrolls was first made up of lore such as Jagar Tharn, a Lich. Mannimarco, a Lich. Werewolves and vampires. They have been there way before your little precious dragonborn even reared his ugly head into the series.

There is also plenty of history in the Elder scrolls about things other than undead, specifically political intrigue (Mournhold comes to mind). Just because a person isn't interested in another undead dlc doesn't mean they're arrogant or don't understand the lore, perhaps it just doesn't fit their play-style. Now, to dismiss it as teenybopper nonsense is a bit much. I'll probably play heathfire if it is a lynch dlc. I'd rather it be something else but I'm pretty flexible with that sort of thing. I even made a vampire character to play through dawnguard with (you know...if it ever came out).

I'd rather deal with the fallout of a new high king (not the dragonborn) in Skyrim. Political backstabbing and such could be a lot of fun. Undead could even be included in this, as Were&Vamp said there's a long history of undead in places of political power and trying to control or become political figures (Jagr Tharn, Janus Hassildor etc)

[Jarrett Willis]

Teenage soap stuff? Please, you do realize werewolves, vampires and undead have been in the ES universe before that crap of Dragonborn or any of the stupid Thalmor ever showed up, right? You DO realize that we had these things since the first damn Elder Scrolls game? I think people should stop being blind and face the fact that just because media polluted glorious dark and gritty folklore into a teenage love affair, doesn't mean Bethesda cannot abide by the rules and go back from the start.

Did you see any werewolves or vampires fighting for a human girl in Dawnguard? No.

Did you see a clan of vampires who love to feed on animals only? No. Go to the Volkihar dining table and see for yourself.

Did see a loving family of romantic vampires being friendly to mortals? No.

I guess these days, people like you are so blinded by your own arrogance, that you fail to see that Elder Scrolls was first made up of lore such as Jagar Tharn, a Lich. Mannimarco, a Lich. Werewolves and vampires. They have been there way before your little precious dragonborn even reared his ugly head into the series.

That is all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM0dbwDc2FE This is the best post I have seen in regards to people thinking vampires and werewolves are only in because of Twilight, and that other crap. Congratulations on the best post ever I agree with every bit of it.

[David Chambers]

If Mannimarco returns, I hope looks like how he did in http://images.uesp.net/5/59/DF-King_of_Worms.png, because he was a weenie in http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/gttpo_mannimarco_02.jpg.

http://gamall-ida.com/f/files/realmannimarco_190.jpg

[Louise Andrew]

There is also plenty of history in the Elder scrolls about things other than undead, specifically political intrigue (Mournhold comes to mind). Just because a person isn't interested in another undead dlc doesn't mean they're arrogant or don't understand the lore, perhaps it just doesn't fit their play-style. Now, to dismiss it as teenybopper nonsense is a bit much. I'll probably play heathfire if it is a lynch dlc. I'd rather it be something else but I'm pretty flexible with that sort of thing. I even made a vampire character to play through dawnguard with (you know...if it ever came out).

I'd rather deal with the fallout of a new high king (not the dragonborn) in Skyrim. Political backstabbing and such could be a lot of fun. Undead could even be included in this, as Were&Vamp said there's a long history of undead in places of political power and trying to control or become political figures (Jagr Tharn, Janus Hassildor etc)

I completely agree with you, but calling werewolves, vampires and zombies the stuff of teenage is going too far. I realize the media corruption and etc. How Twilight itself birthed a bunch of crappy emo love stories which takes away from original folklore. Its what made people tired of werewolves and vampires, but I am willing to bet that if those books and movies never came out, people would be somewhat interested in these things solely because they weren't beaten and molested to death by the media.

I love political backstabbing, hell, it could of been introduced in Oblivion. Lots of things were cut from the game, including involvement with the High Council, the ability to become a nobleman and a count of sorts. Vampires would be a lot more interesting indeed if they were involved in politics and with the Thalmor, instead of the generic Castlevanian style creatures we see. There would be quests that would please all kinds of people.

[Brandi Norton]

I am not sure I believe in the Ops theory. It's very interesting, very well detailed but it feels like it require happening at a certain time of year and I couldn't imagine an Elder Scrolls game doing that. What if you're on the complete other side of the year? Are you just gonna wait over and over in 24 hour blocks?

But then, I'm not a game designer and this is a world with magic. Some magical do dad could solve that problem I guess.

[Jack Moves]

I'm sorry, but to be honest, I can't see the whole Lich thing happening. I think we may see more of the Psijic Order, particularly after the end of the CoW questline, which would hint towards something else happening to do with them.

[Bigze Stacks]

I think Hearthfire will be about magic. Why? Because people have explained their discontent with magic the same way people did with vampires. And what was the result? A DLC dedicated to vampires. So now there's a slight chance that hearthfire will deal with magic and maybe the eye of magnus/psijic order since people did complain about the cliffhanger regarding them after the college questline. And maybe just maybe the inclusion of werebears on the side.

[Emily Jones]

And maybe just maybe the inclusion of werebears on the side.

Whatever Hearthfire's about, whether its magic, Psijic order, Tales and Tallows or houses, they HAVE to include Werebears. The very fabric of existance the fourms depends on it.