I have a level 40 with zero kills.
She's done pretty much every quest thrown at her and has visited many many locations.

The few quests that require killing...those she can't do. There are not very many of those.

Try solving some of the quests without killing. "Not interesting" doesn't even come close. Killing is the easy way.

Fallout 3 and New Vegas?

Combat is a huge part of skyrim. And for me all you do is hack at the enemy until their health is gone, which i find repetitive. regardless to whether there is another game like it. But they deserve praise for improving it from oblivion.

re: FPS's..... did most of those mentioned actually have "locational damage" (arms, legs, everything), or did most of them just have BOOM! HEADSHOT!?

(Yes, the head is a "location". But headshots=awesome isn't really the same as a full location damage system. )


Now, that new sniper game (Sniper Elite 2?) looks like it has a whole bunch of location damage stuff. Considering that it shows gratuitous "x-ray" killcams of whatever horrific damage your shot happened to do. (Apparently. I've not actually watched one of the youtube videos showing it. Sounds pretty gross. )

Somone mentioned KoA's combat upthread. I've been playing the latest KoA, and while I find it's combat fun and entertaining, I really wouldn't want that in a TES game. Skyrim is just a darker, grittier rpg and having everyone jumping around during combat would just seem silly.

JKA had leg shots, body shots, arm shots, and head shots. And that's a very old game that used the very old Quake 3 engine.

Mount and Blade has head shots, body shots, and leg shots. And that's from an indie developer with very limited budget.

Someone mentioned Killzone 2 and 3.

Besides, all this stemmed from Bukee stating that nearly no game has location based damage (Initially it was, and I quote, "every game" that had no location based damage). There are so many games that do (FPS or otherwise) so I called him out on that one.


Lets pretend I haven't played very old games just because I'm not absolutely content when a modern game blows a very retro (Ancient in some cases) game out of the water. Most modern games blow very retro games out of the water. Even the really bad ones. That doesn't mean that I will always have a case of satisfaction when a modern game comes out and it's way better than a ping pong Atari game.

Modern games aren't reviewed based on how good they would be in the 70s or 80s. Hate to break it to you.


I've seen it brought up at a point of reference and used in some examples but no one is advocating for KoA type combat in Skyrim. At least as far as I know.

Anyhow, surprised the thread didn't reach the post limit. It usually does. o.O... O.o...

Sort of like Fallout eh?

In fallout 3, if you crippled an enemies leg, they would be staggering towards you, and if they crippled YOUR leg, your move speed would be way slower.

Those two are shooters and their focus is shooting at stuff. You can't really level up much without killing enemies.

One word: killcams.


Did you even consider the sheer awesomeness of those, before criticizing the combat system?

I adore the combat in Skyrim due to the killcams being something I have never seen in TES.

Killcams make everything ok.

I do see your point, though.

there's a reason for that. the dragons were all dead or in hiding. and i reckon that they would love the huge mountains of Skyrim.

You can't possibly be serious. Either this is badly worded sarcasm or... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA

I think Morrowind would be a better example of horrible combat.