It does? I may have to pay attention more closely, or maybe I just haven't ran into a darkened one.

I know it would be nice for rp reasons, but it would also be nice if it had a use beyond that.

Definitely.

Why would bethesda make it so that when you transform back as werewolf you would have all your items re-equip doesnt make sense when have you seen a werewolf movie that the werewolf transforms back to human and has all his cloth on, hell just be glad that they didnt make so that if you transform with armor it broke due to your increase in size,etc.

I don't want that added to the game. I just want them to create a way that speeds up the process of re-equipping your gear so you don't have to select Armor, Boots, Gloves, Headpiece, Left Hand, Right Hand, Power/Shout, Ring, Necklace, every single time. You're looking at going through at least 3 menus to do that, possibly 4, and depending on how much gear you have that can take a minute or more to sort through. If you could just do a group favorite Ensemble, so that with the press of a button you could change all your gear to a preselected setup, I'd be much happier.

I am not try to be rude, but its looks like people are just being really lazy about it. I have had 3 characters with beast form and nor i have once complained about this being and issue. I say how about we let this slide and ask for something that really matters, like for example have bethesda fix the damn bugs in the dlc that's a more productive thing to do.

The UI as a whole for this game is a mess, including this. You could practically call it a bug in and of itself. Look at how equipment is sorted. It's alphabetical in your inventory but when you put weapons/armor into containers, it suddenly becomes sorted by value. There's no sorting options in either your own inventory or in the containers. Especially not in the containers. You put something in there you didn't mean to, like a book starting with "S" you have to scroll all the way down to the S items in there to take it out. It's so unintuitive and bizarre and really needs to be reworked from the ground up.

But this is off topic, back to werewolves and vampires.

I just dont understand why complain about transforming back without your items unequipped its just seem personally like people are being lazy. And yes i agree that the UI is messed about the order it stores stuff in a chest and in your inventory but that has really nothing to do with just being purely lazy. What i have noticed is that games will eventually have gamers do everything with one button because people are just being lazy about things like.

PS. Not trying to offend the community or anyone in particular

Again, I'm not complaining about your gear being removed when you transform. The problem I have is that Bethesda didn't think of letting you group favorite items so that you could equip them all with the push of a button, rather than having to scroll through 4 different menus to find the gear you wanted to use. It just doesn't sound like it would be terribly hard to group things together into ensembles so they could be equipped all at once and save the player time because if you make using your UI cumbersome and annoying to use, you run the risk of your customer deciding the game isn't worth playing and to go on and find something else to play instead.

Exactly this proves my second point on what seems that games in near future will have gamers do evrything with the push of a button because of people who complain about this. Slightly off topic people seem to think that they are entitled to change the way the game is just because it was not made how they wanted it to be made, where oes this sense of entitlement come from, if you like the game you buy it if you dont you get on with your life but dont think that you can just make developers change a game just because you bought it and you dont like how it was executed.

There is a cave you go to (i won't spoil it) in the dlc and its really dark to the point of needing vampires site or a detect life spell.

Fans are allow to offer thoughts on the product they get. This input helps developers improve their games in the future.

+1

We buy their games, we should get what we paid for.

I love this thread so much I put it in my sig

Nobody said you can't give input but that doesnt mean that they should change every little detail of the game you didn't like just suit you needs
Yes you buy there games but last time i checked they didn't threatened you to buy it you bought because you like what you saw and what you heard about it. Last time i checked most people in the forums want them to change every little thing they dont like about game and i wonder from where does this self-entitlement come from last i heard they didnt contribute anything on the making of the game

Most would be happy if they just followed their own lore to the dot. Those who complain about balance and OP weapons and powergaming have no grounds to change the game because they are doing these things BUT the Lore should be just as is was before and they shouldnt mess with it like they often do. If they stuck to the lore 100% then about 75% of complaints would cease

Bethesda changes the lore because the try to change the game to the liking of most fans like they did with the werewolf and the vampires its all because people fell entitled to tell Bethesda how to do their job and their games. Its no the people story and it's not their lore ( i am not saying that the random change of lore is acceptable) Bethesda can as they please with the story of their game

But if i recall correctly in OB people constantly complained about Vampirism and the reverse feeding mechanic. I dont think they even bothered try making a true Volkihar or appeasing the fanbase on that subject. They removed Sun burn...that is the only change really. So i think they just decided to make it easier by dumbing it down rather than actually listening to the people. It is their game but i am guessing THEY dont even play it anymore

And we are completely within our rights to criticize their decisions, and to abandon them as customers if they continue making design/story decisions we don't agree with.

This isn't an entitlement thread. The goal of this thread is to put forth several ideas of how members of the community feel vampires and werewolves could have been handled better than they were in Skyrim, in the hopes that Bethesda sees ideas here that they agree enhance these creatures, or at the very least give them an idea of where to go with them. If you disagree with these points, feel free to counter them, but do so in a way that actually examines these suggestions and argues against them either on the basis of lore, game design, all around feasibility, or something similar. Saying "Bethesda can do what it wants because they made the game not you" doesn't refute these suggestions.

Are there particular suggestions here you are opposed to, or do you just think we shouldn't criticize Bethesda and just buy their stuff with big grins? If the former, what are they, why are you opposed to them, and what do you think would be a better direction to go in? If the latter, I'm sorry but you might want to avoid this thread. If you think people suggesting what they feel are improvements is just them complaining and being self-entitled ad nauseum, you'll be much happier elsewhere.

You said that they took out sun burn because people complained about it that's the problem their is, Bethesda can never truly please the masses because what you think should be change i might think that it should be left the way it is.

But the point is that if Beth follows their lore then they dont have to change the game ever. Those who complain then wuld be met with the response: "So you just want us to ret-conn the lore?" and that complaint would be squashed right there. If they make unplayable mechanics that is fixable but following the lore would please more of the masses than making it overall simpler for the 6 year olds playing the game

Yes you are completely within your rights to abandon the game and abandon them as customers but this is what separate true fans from the rest. Because true TES fans dont go all out saying how if Bethesda doesn't change the game to suit their needs and preference to every single detail they will stop buying their merchandise. The series has come a long way since Arena and they have made huge changes to the game from arena to skyrim but the people that have been playing since back then haven't complained about how they aren't gonna buy the next TES if they dont have their way with the next Title to be released. And in response you last question i do think they slacked off with vampire's not making them more unique looking and making the VL fit through doors and finally werewolf perk tree is not as good as i expected. (But this doesn't mean that i am going to stop buying their content if they dont change it with DLC, Patch or in TES6)

Yes i agree i would love to see Bethesda stay true to their lore but because they don't stay true to it i am going to start saying that they lost another customers just because they didnt make the game how i wanted it to be. For example lore says skyrim is full of werebears but we dont have any in-game does that mean i am going to stop buying their products because i didn't get werebears in-game i dont think so.

But there are no werebears, there ARE vamps in the game but they are the WRONG ones. It is the same as being angry that Goldbrand or Umbra isnt in the game, they just didnt put "everything" in there but they DID put Vamps and they made them defy lore

Yes they defy lore but this is no excuse to be making threats about not buying their stuff, people who do this are not looking out for the company they are just trying to bully it into submission.

even if they dont fix them i will still play it because i like the game. The only way that i would drop Beth permanently is if the Vamps sparkled or there was a similar "Easter Egg" related to that. After that Beth could expect some burning refuse and game discs on their lawn