Interface Change (PC) : V - Skyrim

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:58 pm

The UI is appalling, they seemed to have done no optimisation for the mouse and keyboard at all. Just look at how log it takes you navigate the skills menu. Very disappointing.

You suggest you're a PC gamer, but you don't use hotkeys? Fallacy right there, man. Unless you're saying it takes too long to push a single key. Not that the normal way to getting there is exactly slow - I mean, come on, pushing TAB and moving the mouse up takes a long time?

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:54 pm

Why on earth would anyone use Flash for anything they didn't absolutely have to? As bad as Oblivion's UI was, the XML system was superbly done (though I know the person responsible for that left Bethesda some time ago).

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:00 pm

Highlight the item you want to hotkey and press 1 to 8 to do so.

You sir win at the internet. That helps a TON. It just went from awful to manageable.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:59 pm

The problem with using .swf files for a UI is that most of the time (when used in games) the format is slightly different (or hugely different for that matter). Meaning a heck of a job to decrypt and re-encrypt them. Beyond that wouldn't be too hard, assuming one knows a thing or two about flash. :shrug:

The witcher 2 also has that kind of UI and some people have been modding it. So let's hope they come to Skyrim to make everything better for the users who like their Eyefinity candy. I don't understand how Bethesda didn't anticipate that PC users are more and more likely to use several screens on their computer. We are not limited to the pitiful one screen of the consoles!

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:48 am

UI based on scaleform\ActionScript with UDK thats possible create new UI sfw files for UE3 based games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtDko9ujCYM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71BwkBODAAw
Perhaps we can use UDK for editing Skyrim sfw menu files also?

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:56 am

He disappeared without a trace in january (i thnk) and hasn't been heard from since. I don't think we can count on Darn here unfortunately...

You never know.

Having account issues ATM...

» Mon May 14, 2012 2:20 pm

Why on earth would anyone use Flash for anything they didn't absolutely have to? As bad as Oblivion's UI was, the XML system was superbly done (though I know the person responsible for that left Bethesda some time ago).

XML is cumbersome to say the least. Quite the performance hog too. I'm on the fence about flash, but I can see why they went that way.

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:27 am

You never know.

Having account issues ATM...

Legendary DarN is thats you?
Can we expect some updates at darnified.net? :angel:

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:45 am

Hmm... might have to take a look at this. Any ideas if this is pure Flash, or if this is Flex-based (one of my major skills is Flex programming)...

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:46 am

Can we expect some updates at darnified.net?

I don't know yet. I didn't make it past character creation before getting angry. Just like Oblivion... :banghead:

It's clearly made for gamepads. If they make a list, why can't I click it's items? Why show them at all if I have to go through each and every one to get to the specific item I'm looking for? Do they PROGRAM the game with a pad too???? I'll look into this stuff, but I know nothing about flash.

AzSteve,

It's swf files.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:32 pm

It's clearly made for gamepads. If they make a list, why can't I click it's items? Why show them at all if I have to go through each and every one to get to the specific item I'm looking for? Do they PROGRAM the game with a pad too????

This! So this! It's my only major complaint about the game right out of the box that I'm almost willing to stop playing and wait for a mod to fix before even thinking about going on. Such a PITA, I mean really who thought this would be a good thing on the PC?

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:08 pm

Account issues sorted.

Why on earth would anyone use Flash for anything they didn't absolutely have to? As bad as Oblivion's UI was, the XML system was superbly done (though I know the person responsible for that left Bethesda some time ago).

Looking at my PM's, I see the UI stuff is handled with Flash/Actionscript 2.0. In theory this is good news for modding, as you have a lot more control now. You can have info on items you hover over and so on. This was not possible with the old XML lists.

This! So this! It's my only major complaint about the game right out of the box that I'm almost willing to stop playing and wait for a mod to fix before even thinking about going on. Such a PITA, I mean really who thought this would be a good thing on the PC?

It doesn't have to be a good thing, it just has to work. It's a good thing for gamepad users obviously... It's a clickfest for sure.

I'm not sure how to approach this. Is it even possible without spending money on software?

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:20 am

Looking at my PM's, I see the UI stuff is handled with Flash/Actionscript 2.0. In theory this is good news for modding, as you have a lot more control now. You can have info on items you hover over and so on. This was not possible with the old XML lists.

So true, any time one wants to display something in the XML UI that wasn't already accessible it required scripting or OBSE-ing to 'inform' the XMLs on this extra bit of data.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:05 am

One of my (new) biggest complaints about the UI is that buffs/debuffs no longer show up as icons.
How much longer do I have on my armor spell? Am I diseased?

Better stop everything & go into the Magic section of the UI to check :swear:

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:08 am

Does anyone know how I tell if these SWF files are protected?

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:15 pm

Welcome back DarN, hopefully you'll be able to save the day once again.

Even if it's trickier this time...

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:00 pm

Just seeing Darn post in this thread made my day.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:38 am

Does anyone know how I tell if these SWF files are protected?

I have no clue about flash, but when I opened them with a flash decompiler it seemed to work (I could view the contents, scripts etc). So I guess they aren't protected?

» Mon May 14, 2012 3:01 pm

Great to see DarN around. That gives me much hope.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:14 am

Great to see DarN around. That gives me much hope.

Amen to that brother.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:10 pm

Atrocious is actually putting it lightly. Freaking consoles, freaking everything up....

This... it's so... ugh.

» Mon May 14, 2012 7:43 am

I'm not sure how to approach this. Is it even possible without spending money on software?

That's my issue at the moment. I'm a teacher, and have free access to all the Adobe stuff for non-commercial purposes (such as mods), but I can't find any free swf to fla converters. Still not sure what I'm meant to use for the GFX files either.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:10 am

I have no clue about flash, but when I opened them with a flash decompiler it seemed to work (I could view the contents, scripts etc). So I guess they aren't protected?

Which decompiler did you use?

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:44 pm

I'm not sure how to approach this. Is it even possible without spending money on software?

What software do you need?

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:38 pm

Which decompiler did you use?

Trillix