I'm supporting this mod by showing my support. It's always fun to play with both teams. (No homo)

Try using detect life around some Silver Hands. If you can see them, they're human. If you can't, they're dirty undead vampires. Mystery solved.

@Huleed: This is one of the things me and mgel are going to have to figure out: should this be a mod that can only be done if you aren't a werewolf or it can be done so long as you hide your true nature from them? This is something that can't be decided by the community; I'm not going to comment on this matter specifically because there is still alot for me to discuss with mgel (we both know each other IRL so coordinating and putting our ideas together will make this come about alot quicker). It would be interesting to go this route, but for the foreseeable future, we more than likely will stick with what we can feasibly do.

Though I am happy to report that a post on Twitter recently stated that the CK IS definitely coming out within the next 12 days, so I'm excited.

I always thought it would be cool to join the Forsaken, but they're most definitely xenophobes. Joining the Silver Hand would be cool too.

So will theybe a "fighter's guild" alternative to the Companions? If so.. "YES!!!" Some radiant quests for them would be useful.

I love the idea already though. Can't wait to try it out.

Sounds great! I always thought from whenI first heard about them they should be ajoinable faction. Them and the Vigilants of Stendarr. Looking forwars to Werewolf hunting,

I'm thinking more of a cross between the thief's guild, the fighter's guild and the dark brotherhood. Violent mercenary thugs and monster hunters that work only for money and pleasure, and don't give one whit about honor or have an qualms about using underhanded tactics like sneaking into another guild's hall and assassinating their leader.

You know, something just occured to me, if the Silver Hand know that the Companions are werewolfs and hate them so much, why don't they go around telling everyone else their secret? Being a werewolf is a crime in Skyrim, so they could probably cause the Companions a great deal of trouble by blowing their cover, maybe even whip up some public support against them. Then again, the silver hand might be so hated themselves that no one would listen to them or take them seriously.

So I had an idea that I'd like to put forth. Depending on what you decide for the moral nature of the Silver Hand, and their origin story, it might be interesting for them to revere the original Companions. They haven't been werewolves forever, so it might be interesting to have you, the character, "purify" the Companions so that they can return to their former non-lycan glory.

I was thinking the best way to portray the silver hand would be the same way the Children of the Light are portrayed in the Wheel of Time series. In that series, the "Whitecloaks" as the children on the light are refered to, are a military organization devoted to finding followers of the dark one (the devil). The whitecloaks are a freestanding army, reporting to no nation but their own commander. They are zealots when it comes to hunting down those they believe to serve the dark one, and will burn down an entire town just to cleanse it of the taint of one person they believe to serve the dark.

On the surface, they resemble most cliche "good guy" knights in stories, having highly polished armor, white cloaks, and talking about serving the light. They actually believe they are doing well too, and new recruits might join for idealistic reasons, but soon get svcked in to the suspicions associated with hunting an evil invisible enemy.

I think cleaning the silverhand up, and styling them more like the whitecloaks could be a good way to do it. That way if you want to roleplay a paladin type, you'd have an organization to join.

Rest assured, what we do with the Silver Hand will no doubt be interesting. At this point without the CK in our hands, all that can be done is the writing.

I join the choir of those who say this is a great idea. I neverl liked the idea that the Silver hands members are hostile to all, like bandits.

So as far as an update goes, we've gotten how the quest line starts and worked out some of the details. But some feedback on how long you guys want this quest line to go would be appreciated. I know one of the big problems people had with the quest lines of the various factions (also a big deal with @ohsorryoldhorse and myself) is that they were too short. Obviously the longer we make the quest line, the higher probability of there being glitches and other problems. We were originally thinking about 10-15 quests of varying length.

Again guys keep the feedback coming, hearing that everyone is excited about it makes what were trying to accomplish that much more satisfying.

We threw around the idea of them being "hate all evil" organization and depending on how well i can handle the ck we might go that direction, but at this point they are a werewolf hating organization, maybe after the initial mod is released we can add to it. Anyways i always assumed the Vigilants of Stendarr were the group to hate all evil things in skyrim. they just don't have the polished armor and white cloaks.

we are def looking into that, i know that wuuthgar (probably spelled that wrong) does more damage to elves so i'm hoping its not too hard to translate into doing more damage to werewolves. not the weapon wuuthgar particularly but the effect. just to clarify.

But how to implement it with Skyrim werewolves? Unless you do something stupid (on the level of turning in front of them) there is no way for them to detect the curse. Unless they have a spell/relic/whatever which allows it - but then, why wouldn't they use it on every recruit?

Meh, I'd say they should be "pure" - to show how bad can normal humans get (which gets us to the question of who is the true monster - the honorable werewolves or the human slayers who will do just about anything...).


This is definately the guild I'd like to see - especcially if it doesn't involve shining armor and white clothes

Well, they'd need some proof - and a really good one (the Companions have quite a reputation, and Kodlak is respected by most of the population...

To go off of Karpik's last observation, this is why there will be intelligence gathering operations, cultivating of informants, etc. The spy game has always been of interest to me, and it's something I'd like to incorporate in the mod. By harming the reputation of the Companions while bolstering their own, it will turn the tables against Kodlak and his ilk.

Nah, I think the Stendari's are actually benevolent, they know exactly what their enemy looks like, since other than the daedra princes, daedra don't blend in with humans and elves. Also, whenever you meet them on the road they point out if you are sick, and will cure you for free. I think over the top zealotry definitely fits with the silverhand, and the questline should start with a very early encounter which gains the player's simpathy toward the silver hand, and then as you progress through the quests the player begins to do more and more questionable acts in the name of the organization.

I don't know enough about the lore to question your judgement but everytime i see a vilgiant of stendarr i kill them. And now that i think about it, i don't have a good reason for killing them either. haha

I am going to link this to the http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1318920-req-free-form-play/ thread. It makes a nice alternative to the Companions quest line. .

@mgel.runs: That's because you're a bastard lmao.

@ everyone else: At this point, we aren't going to give away anything major, but do know that we have read all of your replies and we have taken certain things into consideration. Rest assured that the Silver Hand won't be white knights nor that they will be some evil-assed murderers who don't have any reasoning for their actions.


Thank you, that will do wonders to let more people see this.

I hate being railroaded. So I'm keeping track of options for myself and everyone else who feels that way.

I'm happy to help bring attention to you guys.

Hmm, I wonder if you haven't replied to my idea that the Siver Hand have a double-agent working inside the Companions because you don't like it ... or because you like it so much you are using it and don't want to give that away?

Let me be the first to let you know what @ohsorryoldhorse and myself think of your idea http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/2148017/Zero+%5Bcensored%5Ds+Given+ah+ah+ah+ah/

just kidding btw, like @ohsorryoldhorse said, we read all your comments but we don't want to give anything away.

Uh, wut? Did you basically just tell me to go F myself? It was a friggin' joke man, what's your problem?

Sorry if i offended you. just keeping the discussion lively.