I definitely feel Fallout 3 was a much more compelling game. I think it is because it doesn't feel like a new environment at all (I haven't gotten to Vegas yet). It literally just feels like I am playing a new area in Fallout 3. I mean the gameplay is pretty much unchanged, the iron sights mode works okay, but the aiming is pretty bad. I definitely feel like this game should of been an expensive DLC. Kinda like how Awakening was to Dragon Age Origins.

OP, I can definatley say that most people believe that FNV is leaps and bounds over F3.

Yeah, I really can't get over how much the map svcks compared to FO3. Sure, the gameplay is a bit better but it doesn't matter if the world you are playing with is boring and uninspiring.

Keep playing.

FO:NV > FO3

Gameplay wise, yes.

Story wise, that's debatable.

Map wise, hell no. FO3> NV hands down.

Story wise I feel it blows 3 out of the water.Map wise still NV.Map does not feel empty and it does not seem like 30% is blocked off.The D.C. itself was not that great but much of the surrounding area was good.Still DC just does not feel like a world while NV really gave me a post=apocalyptic vibe.

That is completely right but the game also caters to FO3 veterans with the familiar things that the games have in common. It can be the little things like scrap metal and a 10MM pistol or bigger things like the pleasure I get from svcking the bank account of vendors dry.

I'm getting a bit depressed reading this thread. Linear path , Not good for exploration , less interesting NPCs ...I hope they left a bit of a sand box for me to play in.

It's sounding like the wrong end of my RPG spectrum. I'm hoping I am pleasantly surprised when I do finally play it in a couple of weeks or so.

I'm not going to lie, I thing this game is a great improvements from Fallout 3. I like the atmosphere of the Mojave Wasteland more than the Capital, no green tinge, open blue sky,, there's even a feeling of more civilization in this game. People are inhabiting towns, not weird collections of wrecked planes. I haven't gotten to Vegas yet, but the quests that I've done are much more entertaining than FO3's, helping the folks in Goodsprings, some of the other quests, they give me much more of a sense of accomplishment than repairing three pipes in Megaton. I never played the other Fallouts, but for some reason, New Vegas resonates with me in a way that FO3 didn't, I seem to just care more about the stories in this game. The NCR vs. Ceasers Legion, in my opinion, is infinitely better than the black and white BoS vs. Enclave. I find that new guns in this are more worth it to me. When I find a gun, I actually go, "Oooh, this will help me out with those rad-scorpions" rather than "Ooh, a Chinese Assault Rifle, it's got more DP than my regular Assault Rifle, so I'll be able to beat up Supermutants that much faster!" It's less about the strait stats, but rather, the subtle differences in guns that lead to their different strengths and weaknesses. I don't know if it's just me, but I for one think that the Mojave beats DC.

I like the opening to NV much better, it seems much more believable.You get shot and what revenge which leaves much room for who your character can be.In 3 its you chase your dad who leaves the vault and somehow miraculously survive in a place you know practically nothing about.

This game is so much better written than FO3 that I can't possibly fathom how one could "debate" this point. It's like comparing War and Peace and... Oh, I don't know, a Harlequin cookie-cutter romance. Why, the Brotherhood questline alone is filled with more tension and interesting characters than the entirety of FO3.



In what way, exactly? I personally like the Mojave wasteland a lot more than the Capital wasteland. It's bigger, and so far I've found more interesting things to see in my time in NV than is present in pretty much the entire game of FO3. I just haven't run into as many things to kill.



Nah, the people in this thread are bonkers. The path isn't really linear. I've meandered all about the Mojave wasteland doing whatever I feel like, and I haven't even gotten to New Vegas itself yet.

And the NPCs in this game are massively more interesting than just about every NPC in FO3 except possibly for Elder Lyons and Sarah Palin Moira. And honestly, Tabitha >>> Moira, and that's just going by Tabby's radio show.

Anyone who says the NPCs are less interesting in this game is talking nonsense.



I found it pretty funny how in FO3 you ask around for an old guy with a beard, as if that's descriptive. At least in NV it's asking around for a guy in a fine white suit, which is something you're not going to see very often in the wasteland.

It's still got sandbox in it. It's just that Bethesda is the best at what they do, in my opinion. It's not really linear, though. Choices are great.

I don't know who told you these lies but they are dead wrong I tell ya.


FNV is much less linear than 3 was.NV's opening=Morrowind's, in how it is less urgent and you can decided to do as you please.3= Oblivion where you were on this urgent task that was the most important thing in the world too you.Plus NV has so many possible endings and factions to side with.

Exploration I admit I did not do a ton off in my 1st play through but its certainly there.

NPC well NV is the clear cut winner in this.3 had the bland good guy or bad guy for basically every character.In NV though there are many sides of the spectrum.

I read them in this very thread. And they were not lies to those who said it. I'm not sure which side of the fence I will fall and I'm just a tad worried. I guess I'll see when I get to play in a couple of weeks.

I remember my first time playing FO1. I had already long since beaten FO3 which was my first Fallout game, so I felt like checking out the originals. Well, needless to say I was incredibly frustrated in the beginning portion of the game. The difficulty jumped to ridiculously high levels with encounters of massive groups of enemies that I had no chance of beating. I only stuck through it because I had heard so much about how the game was a beloved classic, and after finally getting a feel for the game and how to play I enjoyed it thoroughly and I was glad I played. If NV is the same for me I'll take the same attitude. I doubt it will be though because I'm dying for more FO3-like content and I was clearing out Fort Independence at lvl.3, very hard just for fun so I doubt difficulty will be too much a problem for me.

I have to say that so far this game rocks!.... I really like moding weapons, creating your own food. Im not far yet, but the story seems more interactive then Fo3. And it's ton's more challenging. I think that's the biggest thing im enjoying. Even the stupid gecko's are so fast its hard to get a good hit on em. Besides the bugs crap that iv'e been working through, its really a great game. And to all that are pissed because it has the same look as Fo3, get OVER IT! We knew before it was out that it was going to look similar. At least your not playing Fo3 anymore, it a whole new world out there. GO EXPLORE it before you critisize it.

The only real "problem" I have with the game is the voice acting. Nearly every character has a stoned intensity in their voice. Fallout 3 had very intense voice characterization. That is how I could stand the same voice actor for many characters. I realize there are many different "sounding" voices in this installment, but they don't have intensity. Aside from voice, I did think the ammo crafting was silly. I like the reputation system, pretty cool. The ability to wear clothing and have impact on character response was nice as well.

I will also admit, I yawned way too much on this game, probably because I am taking pain medication....but also because it is a bit slow on producing the big puzzle-picture for you piece together.

Hidden Valley has sparked my F3-type curiosity! (haven't gotten in yet)


Just a side note. When watching the load screens with the game insight tips, I found myself saying, "why did they put that up? I already know that!".....I then realized I was being too judgmental of the game and decided to become a new player once again. Have fun with this, we all know it is one, if not the best game-series of all time. Well, except maybe Silent Hill (personally speaking.)

This game is game is just like fallout 3 just missing a little danger or maybe i haven't gotten there yet only played 3 hours but so far i have been having a blast , i had a hard time to stop watching the screen and go studying :C


But i feel like every new game that comes to the market people have alot of issues if they are a sequal ! Try giving it more time !

NV certainly has a lot to live up to, but I'm hooked thus far!

Basically looking and feeling much like FO3 doesn't really help set it apart. However, the addition of DPS, varied ammo types and armor values, as well as eating/sleeping/dehydration (hardcoe) bring a whole new dynamic to surviving out in the wasteland.

I'm only a few hours in and can't wait to make my way to Vegas!

Ok, while respecting you're opinion and taking it into consideration; I have to strongly disagree with the OP.

I think that the story is so far above Fallout 3's, that you can't even compare them. I don't even know what's going to happen next in the story, as opposed to Fallout 3 where it was more linear and the story was; for the most part flat.
I loved Fallout 3, but I love New Vegas way more.

FNV took everything Fallout 3 did good, and included it while also adding a list of features and improvements.

That doesn't mean everything was improved from Fallout 3, but certainly a lot of it.

I was never "pulled" into Fallout 3. By the end of the game I was so bored playing it, it was like "Just finish already".

I find the story, the characters, and most importantly THE MAP way better than Fallout 3.

I mean do you honestly say that you enjoyed going through 30 metro stations to your destination? Wouldn't you rather be outside and looking at scenery than walking down a tunnel for half of the game?


My 2 cents. Disagree or not, how I feel.

I've been playing for eight hours now and I love NV more than 3 so far. I appreciate 3 for introducing me to the series, but NV has way more character depth and the environments are more cleverly deigned as well. Going back to play now, post more later.

IDK I agree with the OP I liked FO3 way more then FNV. Don't get me wrong FNV is still a good game but its lacking that Bethesda magic!

I agree it is not the same as fallout by far. It feels very different in every way although I dont think it was made by the same company. Anyway this will just have to hold you over till Fallout 4 comes out sometime in the future.

I think the quests are clever and the writing is good, but they really should have come up with more of their own resources instead of re-using junk from Fallout 3. The area in New Vegas was never bombed and even has something of a central government... so why is everything decaying, and why are the roads which are allegedly being built by the NCR the same broken up ruins from fallout 3?

I prefer NV to FO3 and I couldn't finish FO2 simply because I didn't like it, so where do I fit into that anology?



Two days by my clock, actually.

Plus, I finished FO3's main story and started on exploration less than 6 hours after I installed the game, a full day is more than enough to make a valid comparison.


This, I love FO3, don't get me wrong (I'm still completing it on my 360 now, as well as still playing my heavily modded PC version) but it was too easy for me...Deathclaw glove + Paralyzing palm + as many stimpacks as you can hold + good armor and you've got any thing apart from maybe a Vertibird or Liberty Prime down before you can blink.



Eh, from what I've seen its mostly twitchy finger CoD and Halo fans that don't like NV, probably because your hand isn't being held while you play in a sense.


Obsidian is better at items and enemies too, Bethesda's games always have some way of being OP.
eg. Daedric armor + Daedric bow + Daedric sword in Oblivion, or the hugely OP unarmed stuff in FO3.

What I want for FO4 is for Obsidian to be in charge of the story, voice acting and gameplay with Beth taking over the world development and distribution and both companies working on items.



Ever played FO2 or FO1? It feels like they got that, mixed it with FO3 and added in some good FPS style stuff for some good measure. (I can't stand VATS, breaks flow so badly for me)



Eh, you can tell they spent a lot of time on the story and gameplay changes.

To me, NV is like they added the main great thing from Minecraft to FO3 and altered the story, etc as well...A lot of the stuff can be left to imagination, its actually you that you play as, not James' son, I loved FO3s story and this one is just as good unless you're not really a creative kind of person.

Plus the fact it seems to be catered to stealthing around most of the time rather than run and gun (Unless you're retreating from a hard enemy or a pack of enemies) seems to cheese off a lot of people.