Mass Effect Thread #60

Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:39 pm

For the post about the Geth and Quarians....
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I was able to broker peace with these conditions:

Saved Tali from Exile
Defused the fight between Tali and Legion in ME2
Saved Admiral Koris

and there was one other that I can't think of right now, but I did not destroy the heretics in ME2 and I was still able to broker peace.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:05 am

Am I being too cynical by suspecting that an alternative ending already exists and will be provided as a chargeable DLC when they deem it most profitable to do so...?

If they do this...well I think I will stop buying their games indefinately.

And this has been in the back of my mind as well.

-We spend three games getting to the ending only to see two pictures at the end we don't even get a damn slide show to see what happens to the characters, races, etc after your choices....

The thing I'm disappointed about is the lack of explanation of what happens in the ending or what is to happen, not that I agree with it or not
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:54 pm

Here's my confrontation of that view:
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I came across http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/. Although you may or may not agree with it, I believe that it brings up many valid points. (Note - contains spoilers, although I doubt that this will be an issue for most people since you are reading about this debate in the 1st place)

I read that article, it's very good. I want to emphasize that I am not one of the virulent haters for the endings. I did not need a sunshine and happiness ending - I have read many books, seen many movies that end on a darker note. That's okay, if that end hangs together with the plot up to that point. . It was just that there are not,
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truly, multiple endings based on my game choices... and that there are just so many gaping holes in the last 20 minutes with confuzzled circular logic as to just completely take me out of the 3 games, hundreds of hours, much amusemant, some sadness and sheer fun I had  with the series..  Up to that point, the game was terrific... I just wish the ending made clearer sense.  Or was reflective of actual choices I made. :shrug:

I do think people are being unrealistic about Bioware doing [censored]-all to change anything with it though. I'd bet good money that won't happen.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:52 am

I did not need a sunshine and happiness ending - I have read many books, seen many movies that end on a darker note. That's okay, if that end hangs together with the plot up to that point.

While I admit, I really really would have liked an honest-to-god Happy Ending? (I love those :tongue:), my bigger problem isn't that it's a Downer Ending....
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it's the fact that it feels like you lost. And I didn't spend three epic games Heroing around the galaxy to lose in the end. That's a bit too avant garde/outside the box for me.

Why do I say I lost?

1) my character died. (even in the "take a breath" ending, I can't believe she lived. She's in the middle of the huge pile of Citadel wreckage, she was already crazy hurt before the final explosion, and no-one in the really-beat-up fleet has any reason to look for her. She takes that breath, and then dies.)


2) my party is 99% dead. The two I brought with me are 100% dead, and the rest of them were part of that final push, so odds are they're down too. (yes, I'm discounting the "Joker and Normandy flee, and several people jump out on a new planet" thing - it's a total non sequitur that makes no sense. How could he pick them up in the little time their was? Why would he even be fleeing in the first place? It makes less than no sense, it's disregarded.)


3) the rest of the galaxy is screwed. Mass Relay explosions blow up anything near them. Lack of interstellar travel. All the attacked planets are in ruins, and now will have more difficulty repairing (what with the lack of transport to bring in specialized supplies). All those fleets of aliens in orbit around Earth (I contend that the Quarians have farming/hydroponic/etc ships that can feed them and the Turians, so starving isn't it... but there's the fact that so many ships and people are jammed into one small set of systems. Plus, those ships aren't back in their home systems.)


3b) And then there's the fact that all three endings are losses as well.

A) Kill all synthetic life (EDI, the Geth who I just made close allies to the Quarians, any useful AI's out there. Perhaps VI's as well, so maybe we can't even run half those ships and machines anymore. Plus the other things mentioned in 3).

B.) Control the Reapers (not as obvious, but it MUST be a loss.... power corrupts, the Reapers still exist, and the exemplar for that ending was the Illusive Man, Complete Monster?... it was beaten into our heads through the entire second half of the game that trying to control them would be a Huge Mistake?.)

C) Synthesis. Worse than destroying just synthetics, since instead of just killing one or two races, you kill them all. (Note that when I was given the choice, I didn't picture that shallow "Oh, look - Joker's got a glowy skin texture" thing. I pictured something more along the lines of everything gets put into a blender and pureed into new life forms. Sure, there's still life, but it's not what was there before.... new people, not the old people. Hence, the old people are dead. I was picturing some of the Star Trek weird ethics episodes, like Voyager's "Tuvix" - two characters get combined by a transporter accident. Once they figure out how to re-separate them, they end up in an ethics debate over whether they have the right to kill the new combined person (who sees himself as a unique person and doesn't want to die). So.... I certainly didn't see the Synthesis ending as better than the Kill Synthetics one.


So yeah.... I feel like I lost the game.

Somehow, I don't think that's what Bioware was going for, even with their comments about "wanting to make people think"/etc.

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Another sign of the problem with the ending..... ME1? Love the ending, look forward to it when I play, the climix still stirs the soul. ME2? Similar, if not quite as strong. ME3? I don't think I want to play the game again, I don't look forward to that ending at all.

This is also a potential problem for DLC. Why should I (or anyone) bother buying some "tell me another story of The Shepard!" adventures? I'm just going to go down in flames in the end. Adding more is pointless. :sadvaultboy:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:58 am

Is that what people think we want?
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It's not that I want a happy ending, it would ruin it. i want a coherent ending that fits with the lore and feels sasisfying. If they feel in the fixed ending the only way to do this is a happy ending, I might be a little disappointed. There's been no consequence to this invasion. I would prefer a better ending, that is less full of [censored]. Essentially. If people think we're mad we didn't get a happy ending they're very wrong. We just want a good ending, whatever that may be.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:29 pm

So now to the toughest choice.....
Black widow X or M-98 Widow X?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:52 pm

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/14/bioware-responds-to-mass-effect-3-criticism.aspx (Spoiler Free)

Honestly, can't they just admit that they ran out of time? They couldn't create the ending they wanted so they used crapshoot logic to justify three games worth of time?

This basically explains the endings;

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http://cdn2.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/mass-effect-your-choices-matter1.jpg
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 10:22 am

Why should I (or anyone) bother buying some "tell me another story of The Shepard!" adventures? I'm just going to go down in flames in the end. Adding more is pointless. :sadvaultboy: [/spoiler]
This pretty much sums it all up.
So now to the toughest choice..... Black widow X or M-98 Widow X?
The answer for that becomes the question of can you effectively take out an enemy with headshots on command.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:44 pm

Needs fixin'
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:19 am



Am I being too cynical by suspecting that an alternative ending already exists and will be provided as a chargeable DLC when they deem it most profitable to do so...?

I've had this thought since the ending was leaked, couple that with the message at the end of the game and you can bet even money that they are gonna "listen tithe fans" and give them a different ending, for a nominal charge of corse
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 11:35 am

I've had this thought since the ending was leaked, couple that with the message at the end of the game and you can bet even money that they are gonna "listen tithe fans" and give them a different ending, for a nominal charge of corse

I know it was a bad ending and EA's a horrible company, but listen to yourselves. You're one step away from lizard-people-control-Earth. EA would not take this kind of a risk.

1. EA is a big company. Big companies are risk-averse.
2. What if this machination leaked? [censored]-storm city.
3. What if it backfired? [censored]-storm city.

Mass Effect 3 gets a 9.5/10

:shakehead:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:58 am

If it has any spoilers at all, please spoiler the text. Thank you.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:07 am



I know it was a bad ending and EA's a horrible company, but listen to yourselves. You're one step away from lizard-people-control-Earth. EA would not take this kind of a risk.


But that's just it, it's not a risky venture. DLC are a fact now, look at damn near any AAA title;

1.get the game out the door
2. Patch
3. DLC
4. Repeat 2 and 3

It's not a risk it's a fool-proof way to make your game cost $10 more. If you need any proof that they are willing to take away content just to sell it back look at the day 1 DLC.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:15 am

While I admit, I really really would have liked an honest-to-god Happy Ending? (I love those :tongue:), my bigger problem isn't that it's a Downer Ending....
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it's the fact that it feels like you lost. And I didn't spend three epic games Heroing around the galaxy to lose in the end. That's a bit too avant garde/outside the box for me.

I don't disagree with you. I think I posted elsewhere, that I could have understood a lot of different endings except that what I felt I got was a mish-mash of stuff that seemed disassociated from what I had built for three games. The endings of ME1 and ME2 have clear Victory conditions - victory with cost was done much better in ME2, depending on how you played. I understand the stakes were way higher in ME3, I was behind it all the way, but yeah... there was no pay off, really. Just some confusion and a nagging bummed out feeling that it could have been better. So I keep going back to being disappointed in the ending. If it had been more tightly written and cohesive, I know I would have been bummed at the end, but for an entirely different reason... bummed because the story was over. Not because it left me scratching my head and thinking "huh?"
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 2:56 pm

Reports of piles and piles of Mass Effect 3 returns. This is bad for EA because Gamestop gets these sales. And they miss out on a DLC customer. Hell I didn't think I would ever see it, but Mass Effect 3 is dropping in price quite rapidly considering it only began yesterday. Users reviews are bombing the game to hell. They were completely caught off guard by the fans on this one. I would feel bad for them, but the only way to get them to listen is their wallets. Only a matter of time now until they give in. This feels much like being a Reaper.
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Spoilers in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fFsxShx_iI#t=5m19s.

Reaper eye turns on
Reaper/Fans: EA/Bioware....
EA/Bioware: "We wanted to make a polarizing game ending" /troll face
Reaper/Fans: The cycle must continue. With continued success and existence all companies become arrogant.
Reaper/Fans: Their consumers rise up against them. It is inevitable.
Reaper/Fans: We impose order on the chaos of corporations. Every 50k years we harvest corporations at the apex of their glory. When they still listen to their fan base.
ect. ect.

Edit
Now EA's stock is dropping. I would like to think we're apart of this.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:17 pm

It's not a risk it's a fool-proof way to make your game cost $10 more. If you need any proof that they are willing to take away content just to sell it back look at the day 1 DLC.

DLC may (or may not, depending on the game or company) consist of content that is removed from the final, standard product. It has never been about replacing good content with bad, though.

Anyway... after I posted last night here about the 3rd person camera (and MISAKA made a few quips :biggrin:) I just couldn't get back into the game. It's destroyed my willingness to continue with the story. Don't know if that willingness will regenerate...
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:00 am

Reports of piles and piles of Mass Effect 3 returns. This is bad for EA because Gamestop gets these sales. And they miss out on a DLC customer. Hell I didn't think I would ever see it, but Mass Effect 3 is dropping in price quite rapidly considering it only began yesterday.

Good, I don't have it yet, looks like I won't have to wait long for an agreeable price



DLC may (or may not, depending on the game or company) consist of content that is removed from the final, standard product. It has never been about replacing good content with bad, though.

I just saw the kittys post on it, I will no longer discuss my views on it here.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:47 pm

EA down almost 10% since the 10th. Whatever we're doing is working. 4.5% today alone.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 4:33 am

So now to the toughest choice.....
Black widow X or M-98 Widow X?

X? I Couldn't upgrade beyond V :huh:

And like with DA2, the drama is proving to be more entertaining than the game :popcorn:
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:20 pm

I'm gonna take a break from ME3, all the talk about the endings is leaving a sour taste in my mouth.

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right

Spoiler warning for the link, don't click unless you know about the endings or don't care about them. Those are pretty much my reasons as to why the game is leaving a sour taste in my mouth.

Hey guys,I was wondering which class is best for me, I use the abilities moderately, I don't over use it. I mainly run and gun. Any Recommendations?, I'm starting over since I only finished one mission and my one achievement is gone! lol!
If you use some Abilities I would go with either the Soldier or Vanguard. Vanguard benefits more from Abilites then Soldier does, although Soldier can deal with the Weapon Weight penalties.

Reports of piles and piles of Mass Effect 3 returns. This is bad for EA because Gamestop gets these sales. And they miss out on a DLC customer. Hell I didn't think I would ever see it, but Mass Effect 3 is dropping in price quite rapidly considering it only began yesterday. Users reviews are bombing the game to hell. They were completely caught off guard by the fans on this one. I would feel bad for them, but the only way to get them to listen is their wallets. Only a matter of time now until they give in. This feels much like being a Reaper.
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Spoilers in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fFsxShx_iI#t=5m19s.

Reaper eye turns on
Reaper/Fans: EA/Bioware....
EA/Bioware: "We wanted to make a polarizing game ending" /troll face
Reaper/Fans: The cycle must continue. With continued success and existence all companies become arrogant.
Reaper/Fans: Their consumers rise up against them. It is inevitable.
Reaper/Fans: We impose order on the chaos of corporations. Every 50k years we harvest corporations at the apex of their glory. When they still listen to their fan base.
ect. ect.

Edit
Now EA's stock is dropping. I would like to think we're apart of this.

That's good news, maybe Bioware and EA can get the clue that screwing over your main customer base is a bad business decision. Some Gamestops might have extra From Ashes code. I was offered one when I bought ME3 new from gamestop although that was launch day, I have no idea if Gamestop would still have the codes.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:11 am

X? I Couldn't upgrade beyond V :huh: And like with DA2, the drama is proving to be more entertaining than the game :popcorn:

You can upgrade to X with a second playthrough. Its like how you couldn't get to 60 in ME1 until you finished it once.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 12:30 pm

Am trying to do the Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons mission and its not giving me the option to land on Rannoch?? Has anyone else experienced this?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 8:23 am

I forgot how tedious it was to get resources in ME2
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 9:32 am

Anyone feel up to try a Gold game tomorrow?
I heard you can get 80k creds on a single game!
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 6:35 am

Anyone feel up to try a Gold game tomorrow?
I heard you can get 80k creds on a single game!

I'm finishing the game first. and I am only level 6 on MP :P No gold for me right now

btw I just spoke to the
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Prothean VI on Thessia. The Reapers aren't the true threat????
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