calling a video game critic a journalist is a stretch, i think.

Has anyone gone through the Vegas ruins around the Crimson Caravan area? EVERY house in that area has one or more invisible walls it is insane, i'm convinced that nobody at Obsidian played the game. I wasn't even looking for problems during my first playthrough and i experienced a significant number of problems and this was on the 360. now that i've been actually looking its gotten well out of hand. Multiple companion issues, invisble walls everywhere, issue where npc's continuously open dialogues with me and i can't seem to make them stop, i've even had instance where dialogue opens with an npc but absolutely no response is found in the text box, near Jacobstown i began a quest that was basically a "defend this position" type quest and the hostile NPC's literally passed through the mountains, unclickable medkits and in general items/ammo boxes etc. that are typically clickable simply seem to not be so or clickable only in such a way that i must stand "just so" in order to open them. It is surprising that there appears to have been very, very little quality control in regards to this product. I hoenstly expected more from these two companies because i have enjoyed the games created by both companies in the past. This felt like a a rushed money grab. Perhaps they had been worried about coming out after titles like Fable 3/MW:Black Ops, it feels like there was a rush to beat those other popular games to market.

On a seperate note does anyone else feel like they TOTALLY over-hyped how cool the city of New Vegas was going to be? the three zone thing is hideous, i fail to understand why it couldn't have been two zones or better yet just one.

What's the old saying?

Those that CAN -> Do
Those that CAN'T -> Teach

perhaps add a third?

Those who are HOPLELESS -> Write about it?

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The Fallout series has always been somewhat buggy. (Example: Fallout 2 and the Car... that is suddenly just a parked Trunk somewhere)

Honestly, even with all the problems that crop up (of which the worst I've seen has been the 'arms' for my char be in the wrong position when rock-crawling for sniper-action so far in FONV), I'm really not bothered by them. I haven't seen even a tenth of the bugginess the journalists have been writing about.

Given, much like the overall news (tv, newspaper, etc) I just don't read it. 99% of the time it's filler or flash that shows that they've done little actual research, and likely have barely played the game, much less the franchise.

Overall, however... I do have to agree that more and more, software companies are having the purchasers ( that's US.. the gamers) be the main testers for games. Blood Bowl, Civ V, and many others. I miss the days where a game (esp for PC) came ready to play and working, maybe with a few minor glitches.... Anyone remember System Shock 2? never had a bug, one of the most incredibly immersive games out there, esp if you played in the dark with surround sound

3 of my favorite games were terribly buggy: fallout 2, Arcanum and daggerfall. I'll throw in KoTR 2 because obsidian did that but i wasn't hindered by any of those bugs.

I play through these random bugs like Cass asking for a doc bag and whiskey only when you give her these items she doesn't use them(until she gets hurt again)
However, i am on a game changing bug, but i won't quit playing because of it...im either going to love bethseda even more for fixing this bug(which they wont) or im out 14 levels and hours and hours of progress

Great game, buggy but who cares? its hard enough to find a decent RPG that last longer then 20 hours much less a great one

I have to say I've ran into several bugs/glitches whatever you wish to call them... some are game breaking others just show that the game was not tested proper before being released.

Everything can be fixed with a patch so please Bethesda hurry up with the patches!

Anything else like how imbalanced the weapons are can be fixed with a mod same goes for the food and drink in the game and some of the armor and monsters DT... a good balance mod will fix all that.



And ya some of my favorite games have been buggy messes, Vampire Bloodlines anyone?
KOTOR2 didn't even have an ending just something thrown in....
Don't even get me started on how buggy MassEffect and Alpha Protocol were.
And ya Temple of Elemental Evil and Daggerfall made me suffer to play them but I still loved it

Something I've noticed in my limited years. People EXPECT things to work properly. We EXPECT to have a decent day, where things don't really go wrong. We don't rave about the day where things went as planned, it was just uneventful.

What I'm getting at is, when a product performs as expected, we don't go nuts and post about it. I've had a few bugs, nothing horrible. I've had it lock on me about 10 times (37 hours of game time so far). Not a big deal, I save a lot. I save a lot ANYWAY, but fear of locking has made me save more often. I honestly had no idea I could install a game on my Xbox, so I learned that because of the locking issue, and it's awesome. My loading screens don't take nearly as long.

I've had the black box on my screen where the lock picking screen should be twice.

Has no one tried to fast travel when they're stuck in a rock? I got stuck at one point (don't know that it was bug related) and I just fast traveled back to town. This happened a few times to me in FO3, and I learned this fix there. Has anyone tried it when they've fallen into the world so to speak? I'd love to know if it still works, and I'd like to think that maybe the idea could help some folks avoid restarting their games and losing game time.

If I talk to Victor outside the Lucky 38, we have the same conversation we had when I first arrived. I believe that I have even done the conversation with Mr. House twice as well by following that line. Never tried a third time, now I just walk up to the door of the casino.

Virtually every time I play, at some point my rifle will cover far too much of the screen, like I've pushed the gun forward, off of my shoulder and higher. It's fairly persistent for a few minutes, and then it goes away. I can make it stop by holstering the gun, then bringing it back up, but it comes back a few times before it stops entirely.

The only other bug I've really run into were a few physics issues: I fell UP about 20 feet at one point. Walked about 5 feet off the ground for a few seconds at another.

I haven't had any save game corruptions. I haven't run into a bug that kept me from finishing a mission. It is buggier than FO3, but not by much (for me).

My real point is just that, typically, happy customers do not go out of their way to tell everyone that they are happy. Because of this, the vast majority of posters are complaining. What is under-represented are the customers who are NOT having game destroying problems. I'm thrilled. I love the game. I'm anxiously awaiting additional patching, but I did the same with FO3. It does not keep me from loving the game, looking forward to it on a daily basis, or playing as much as I can. The story is awesome, the voice acting is solid, and I am constantly reminded of just how much I have left to do in the game, which is a great feeling.

The correct third entry has been added:


Those that can, do.
Those that can't, teach.
Failing that much, become a journalists or critic.


I haven't experienced much in the way of bugs, at all. It actually runs better on my steam-boat of a rig than Fallout 3 does. Calling it the buggiest game of the decade, while perhaps fanning the fires of those passionately distressed by the glitches and failings of the game... doesn't really represent the truth.

The truth is... this game was designed to run better on older systems than newer ones.

I don't know why, or how, or what they'll do about it... but it is FAR from the glitchiest game I've played even just THIS YEAR... never mind the last ten.


Angry people say stupid things, though... so I guess I'll try to pretend not to notice.

Anyone calling FO:NV the buggiest game of the decade clearly hasn't gotten their hands on Fable III yet.

Someone made a comment about getting stuck in a rock and then fast traveling out. Yes I did this. I hated to do it, but at least it worked. Problem is, what if there was no Fast Travel then? Just like how many people say it should be removed from the game. Maybe they be happy now that it's in the game.

Buggiest game of the decade my butt :/ Have they even played any other games? The last steam game I got Civ V has crashed on me waaaay more than fallout, memory leaks, and has several game-breaking wtf start a new game style bugs that are incredibly commonplace on forums (and not patched after a month) and even THAT isn't as bad as some other games I've played over the last few years.

I've had to console disable, enable one guy so far in NV, I'm on my second playthrough with at least 60 hours played. On a high end quad core, sli, SSD computer win w7 x64. Saw someone saying the game barely functions on a setup like that, but you're quite wrong. The vast majority of the really bad bugs seem to appear on x-box only. Shame [censored] blame the software rather than their aging hardware, hope it doesn't hurt sales too badly. :/
edit: lol @fan boy being censored XD

I think the issue you are missing is that the game is buggy as hell on the 360, i'd imagine that console gamers consist of 50% if not more of their consumer base. Everyone using the 360 is running the same hardware/software so how is it that nobody tested for that? The PC version gets the benefit of a robust modding community whereas the console version must rely solely upon the good graces of the development teams. I would imagine that they are currently more concerned with whatever DLC is coming out for NV next rather than fixing existing issues and i think, for many people, that kind of grates.

I've had a couple of random freezes and crashes (normal for most PC games, at least for me) and if I minimize often my mouse will have trouble staying in the game, and sometimes I will be unable to shoot or do anything for a second until I get my mouse back in the center, and If I have the mouse in the game going and click, it minimizes me.

Besides this, no problems.
I did find an exploit where a guy gives you endless Service Rifles for rescuing him. Made a good bit of caps off of that.

That's your experience, and it's good to let people know that's the experience for some of us.

My experience is that I haven't had to reload even once because of bugs in 25+ hours, and I' vocal about that experience too, because I'm enjoying the crap out of this game and I would hate for this community to be nothing but those having issues.

I'm not calling you a whiner; you're having issues. I'm just saying that when people start throwing around claims that this game is incredibly buggy, it's not universally true.

I've been through releases like what you're going through, and my only criticism/advice is this: if the game is in a frustratingly unplayable state for you right now, just walk away from it for a little while and come back to it when you know a major patch is out. I've had to do that for some games that ended up being amazing for me once the issues that were plaguing me were gone.

What I can't understand are the people that just can't let it go. The game is today what the game is today. If you wish they had held off releasing the game while they fixed more of the bugs, you wouldn't have the game in your hands to play anyway, and neither would those of us who are playing it without issue.

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I am playing on a PS3. Generally, I would describe myself as a casual gamer. Pretty relaxed and can put up with a lot of stuff. Overall, my wife finds me irritatingly patient. But I am not patient or willing to put up with this product. This is the first time in my long line of games that I have found the bugs and what not to have placed the game on an unplayable level. My stupid game freezes repeatably and constantly. It is really disappointing, as I was stupid enough to even purchase the collectors addition in all my excitement! NERD RAGE

That svcks, sorry to hear it.

The good news is you aren't stuck with the product indefinitely "as is."

Just shelf it for a while, let them work out the kinks some users are having, and then enjoy your purchase.

I Really need help! I dont know what im going to do. In the Quest "GI Blues" i hired orris and he didnt get suspicious. So it says " Go back to The King and report that nothing was suspicious. I did that and i had to hire him again for my own Bottle caps so i did that. And he didnt get suspicious.
And it Says again " Report to the king about Orris" And i did that and when i press "E" on him He says "What do you got for me" and i get dropped from the conversation. And if i do it again i get dropped again! Please help!

The game does have bugs and anyone claiming theyve been playing 25+ hours and not encountered one is talking out of their ass or havnt left Doc Mitchells house. Logging 25 hours on this game and not seeing ONE enemy thats spawned inside terrain is impossible.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_bugs

That isnt even all of them. A lot of quests in the game also have bugs associated with them. I normally dont flame but how much of a really devoted fan do you have to be to come here and claim FNV isnt buggy?

Actually, I've seen bugs, but I have NOT seen any a single enemy spawn inside terrain. Playtime: 37 hours. (Xbox 360)

You didnt see it because they were underground or inside a wall.

I HAVE... hated it (to confusing, and the game froze a lot) :swear:

But isn't something wrong with that mentality? Imagine buying a car, driving it home, only to have it konk out once you pull in the driveway. You call up the dealer and he tells you to wait a few months for a fix and try again. Does that sound like a good purchase? Should people have to put up money for something and be rewarded with having to shelve it for a future fix?

Games like this were never meant for the console. There, I said it.

Flame me all you want, but this is what happens when game developers try to have their cake and eat it too.

I love how suddenly the press (and gamesas [censored]) are only now [censored]ing about how buggy the FO3 engine is. I suspect it has to do largely with butthurt over the changes (improvements) Obsidian made.. The game seems no more or less buggy than it was in 2008. In the interest of karma I'm going to take the stance of so many from '08: "Dude, it's probably YOUR fault the game is crashing." :tops:

40 hours, two freezes and four crashes. A record when it comes to a Beth game IMO.

You said:
"Logging 25 hours on this game and not seeing ONE enemy thats spawned inside terrain is impossible."

I have not seen any. Not one. It is possible.
Could there be some underground that I cannot see? Sure. But that does not alter my honest answer. No, I have not seen any in 37 hours game play.