Hmm Super Mario kind of games are ''just a game''.
Games with huge open world and good lore like Oblivion and Fallout 3 and NV are kinda like the Matrix in essence.

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Replayability in both Fallout 3 and NV is kinda the same,but they focus on different aspects.NV is more about quests and factions.Fallout 3 is more about just exploring and hanging around doing random stuff.(basicaly)
Depending on what aspect you like,you prefer one of the 2 games on terms of replayability.That said,both games are nice to return to,after long breaks.

No, Deus Ex is like the Matrix.

That is the only game you can compare The Matrix with, unless its The Matrix Online.

Nah , all rpgs with open world ,including mmorpgs are like ''a'',not ''the'' matrix.Not talking about the setting,but the virtual world aspect.

I agree.

For me any game that has only one outcome and no choices that have any substantial impact on the main quest could never have more replayability than a game like FONV. Loot, cut and paste office buildings and subways just isn't going to trump actual content personally speaking.

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you're prob more into a story driven game, you may not be into exploring large buildings and sneaking around, hiding from and fighting enemies etc. some people prob do a lot of fast traveling and aren't into actually cruising around the map having to deal with things a lot, so it really depends what a person likes in a game, exploration and enemies, obsidian isn't good at, story and quests they're good at, bethesda on the other hand is good at the game environment, enemies to fight, buildings and tunnels and bases to explore. :nod:

Who said you have to explore there isn't a tesla cannon pointed to you're face thats what i like about it you're not forced to do anything.

@ West I can agree with what you just said, just please no more of these types of threads.

@ Prime: The quests are horrible in Fallout 3, some of you even said that you have to avoid the main quest to have replayability.

Tbh new vegas only lasts as long as it's quests so it's numbered where as fo3 is limitless.@boradm the quests arn't horrible infact overall i prefer fo3's quests but please can we stick to the topic theres all ready turds getting threw.

a lot of the quests in FO3 involve combat, so thats prob why you don't like em, new vegas quests aren't combat oriented, i liked the quests in FO3, waters of life, rileys rangers, moiras quests, finding the geck, who dares wins, those quests were really good, but you're gonna be fighting lots of enemies in em, i liked new vegas quests too, but they aren't nearly as combat oriented.

I enjoy more diplomatic and peaceful, or at least stealthy resolutions to quests usually. (Deus Ex is the shining example of stealth missions)

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy combat quests but not when it's the only quest type.

most games eventually get boring, i played FO3 so much i'm bored with it now, but it took a long time, some games i get tired of 15 minutes after i start playing em, some games give me months or even years of enjoyment...so far bethesda games have given me the most fun and enjoyment than any other game developer..new vegas did give me a month or two of decent fun...i was expecting at least 6 months or a year, but its just missing too many of the elements i like, if obsidian makes a dlc to adress some of these areas i'll give it a try again. the game just recently came out so all hope isn't lost yet.

I must have given a limited look at my preferences from my post. What you said doesn't describe what I love about the game(s). Since I love Oblivion and Fallout 3 and FNV equally, I'd describe myself as an open world gamer who values all aspects of the games. I love to explore and didn't visit New Vegas until almost 100 hours into the game. I replay Oblivion and still find things I've never seen and I battle each enemy as if it was the first time because I change up my weapons and magic arsenal. Sneak is my second highest skill after Conjuration in Oblivion and I was thrilled to get a Chameleon ring last night. I'm very happy to let Boone and ED-E do most of the fighting in FNV but I'm just as fine with doing it myself in FO3 and TES4 and can leave Boone at home if I want to do the fighting. I love Ayleid ruins, mines and caves and closing Oblivion Gates. It's all great. Now having said that....(I think you have a better picture.)

I LOVE that Obsidian did such great writing and stories in FNV. They made me feel something and some were compelling. It wasn't just all about the search for loot or exploring. That was different compared to FO3 and TES4 where the stories were good but didn't touch me the same way. My hopes are that Skyrim has everything I love about Oblivion along with compelling stories like I find in FNV. That's raising the bar for Bethesda but there are a lot of great writers out there...and I think I can have the best of both worlds.

Bottom Line: I just love open world and I'm not going to get bogged down looking for things I don't like. It's a game and it's fun for me. Cheers!

fair enough, and i totally understand that.

@West are you hoping all these posts/threads of yours will convince the developers to make the next FO be FO3-redux? Because all these weeks/months of you posting the same thing everywhere doesn't seem very productive. If you haven't already, try getting NV for the pc and go crazy with mods...you might like it better than. Or just smile & play Fo3 and don't worry about the fact you don't like NV as much. (edit:you wrote about being bored w/Fo3 while I was typing, so scratch that last bit, heh)

Btw, I do personally like combat & exploring over dozens of quests, which is why I have all my combat oriented mods. I also like characters over main plot (if that makes sense). In a story-rpg game, if there are no characters I like & can interact with, I won't care how well written a plot is, I'll have no motivation outside of bashing monsters for phat loot and for that I can just play Diablo or some such.

I remember Might & Magic rpg games, they did have a main plot/story etc. but it was very focused on combat vs. characterization. But since I liked the phat loot & the combat in those games, I enjoyed them a lot even without any cool chrs to interact with. I'm guessing you like that sort of rpg (but more modern than M&M's). More skill/chr. building complex than Diablos but that M&M sort of emphasis on action. Which is cool.

But it doesn't make FNV a bad or even lesser game. It just makes it not the preferred game for you. I think it's good when companies try different things to appeal to different players...and/or sometimes mashing things up so the game has some things that will appeal to multiple types of players. If they always made the same exact game, even if wrapped in a different skin, it would get pretty old too.

bethesda stories are good in their games i think, they are prob more simple, but they serve the purpose...their strengths are more exploration, the game environment and enemies to fight, but i'm looking forward to skyrim also.

And I'm looking forward to talking about it with you. It can't be 11.11.11 soon enough for me. Bring on the dragons!

i'm on my 6th or 7th playthrough of NV. i have about 10 or so on fo3. i have three on fo2. haven't gotten to fo1 yet. all the fallout games i've played i've been excited to play them again. i find no problem with replays whatsoever. each one is a great game in it's own right, some of the best rpg's i've ever played. i prefer NV because it has the same vibe as fo2; social commentary with a great blend of serious and humor. fo3 i found to be sorely lacking in humor.

one of the reasons i just can't play fo3 any more are the sewer mess (not that the sewers were a bad idea...there's just too much) and the main quest. i stopped caring about project purity on my second playthrough and hated the father for being such a d bag. i didn't find his actions to be a sacrifice for a greater good, i found them to be selfish and self serving to a giant ego.

how is vegas not a great location? one of the world's iconic cities. if anything, i found the strip to be a little anemic. i would have liked a heavier vegas vibe with more strip based missions. for the next fallout i want it in chicago. i was drooling when the ed-e logs said there was an enclave presence in chicago. oh yeah, i'm from chicago so i'm biased....

i understand the complaints about scripted enemies. but this goes back to the old rpg's like NES final fantasy and dragon warrior, where nearly all encounters where random (which apparently is too hardcoe for most gamers). this is the balance. both next gen fallouts could have done better. in both games, once i hit level 10-ish i was no longer afraid of the wasteland. i didn't feel like prey anymore.

you will get bored of a game eventually. how many playthrough's are enough? if a game makes me want to play it twice i consider it a success. then there's games like the fallouts where i play them as much as an fps multiplayer. those are the exception. obsidian and bethesda are top tier, elite game creators. there's nothing else like the elder scrolls and fallout. i find these arguments to be nitpicking at it's finest and a testament to how great BOTH fallout games are. (if the only real complaint outside of tech issues is how many times can i play it...well, that's a great game then.)

Yay, we're all talking again instead of exchanging insults and shoving opinions down each other's throats! I'm glad, I didn't feel comfortable antagonizing someone bearing the Enclave emblem.

Whats with the west of the rockies witch hunt so what he says he doesn't like some of the quests in fonv ok maybe he has said it before but its still true to a lot of ppl.

I really dont think a 12 year old can understand the complexity of this conversation. Let alone buy the game since its rated M. But there are some real irresponasable parents out there so...yah.

I played Fallout 2 when I was 9 and I understood a large chunk of it. :bunny:

Meh, he just used to phrase it in a way that could be construed as somewhat rude towards those who did like them. But I'd like to think we're all good now. Let's not add fuel to the fire anymore, eh? Although the thread has about a page left to live at most, anyway.

His posts can often consist of the same thing, "no dynamic environment, not enough enemies and not enough dungeons."
It's starting to get rather repetitive as it can derail threads into yet another FO3 vs FONV debate.
He isn't breaking any rules though as far as I've seen.

Yes well i dont think 12 year olds these days would understand this.

I was playing my N64 at that age. Living it up. when i was like 6- 9.

Don't see why not, all I had played up until then were Populos: The Beginning, Baldurs Gate, Starcraft, Warcraft II and Little Big Adventure and others that didn't have enough of an imprint on my brain for me to remember.
Not like children of the past were any more geniuses than children of the present can be.
Though I find it hard to believe that a 12 year old would be able to stand the graphics of Fallout 2.