That was never addressed as being an issue in the first place, so why a fix was not released for it is no surprise.


Again, the first issue mentioned is not even considered an issue currently.

The second issue, never heard of it. But, you do realize 1.7 is on the PC, which doesn't have DG yet right? They can't implement fixes to things that are non-existent. That would cause... issue. As far as I can tell, the DG related issues fixed in the 1.7 patch are more general issues, one being an animation fix and the rest being issues with Kinect-related problems. Neither of these things really require DG to be present. Fixing quest issues, or issues relative to specific DG NPCs would require DG present before patching. So its no wonder such fixes aren't included because, again, the PC version doesn't have DG.

And the last issue you mention over marriage is, again, not an issue. I'm fairly certain the devs intended that be the case, otherwise certain dialogue between you and

Spoiler

Serena, politely declining your offer

would never be present.

Well how are they wrong?

How are TES games not better on PC? You can manually fix any glitches you run into, you can mod the game however you like, you can use "cheat codes" if that's truly your thing, and you can fine-tune the graphics and performance of the game.
And why not do PC first, then port to console? This is how Oblivion was done, and I've never heard any of the consoles complain about the game's performance or UI. Skyrim was Xbox-to-PC and I promise you that damned mouse does NOT always represent what you're gonna select if you click it; it just doesn't work.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: The PC is superior; it has the most potential. This isn't something people are saying because they wish to arrogantly lord over the fact that they have the PC version and you don't, talking down to you with a pretentious tone that suggests that they too are better. No, this is something people say simply because....well, because it's true. Most potential = best, really, and where the PS3 and Xbox run into game-breaking bugs, the PC runs into the same bugs but the player can manually fix them with console commands.
So there's no need to take offense to people saying the PC is the best option. I sincerely doubt it's meant arrogantly or condescendingly.

Patches don't just get thrown out like water, Game companies do release minor patches and those patches don't always fix a crap ton of things. World of warcraft is a good example its had numerous minor fixes some the community does not even know about. The fact the Bethesda has even mentioned the fix is a plus cause I really don't consider it worth mentioning. With Dawnguard not being on PC or PS3 yet there is really no point in releasing it especially with the 30 day exclusiveness coming to and end. Chances are they are going to release the patch with the launch of Dawnguard going to PC and PS3.

I think a lot of it comes down to opinion. I agree about the bug fixing, but then most of those are only minor glitches. Performance, graphics and everything else are all largely the same. If you spend a lot of money, it will be a bit better on PC, but not by any amount that most people would care about.
Mods are a separate thing entirely. They dont really belong in any debate on this because they come with their own disadvantages too. Mods arent a thing that says "this is better because of mods", it's much more a case of "if I like mods, then this is better because it has mods". A lot of people dont like and/or dont have mods, because the game is already rich and immersive enough, without adding someone else's (not Bethesda's) take on the game.

But there in lies the problem, 90% of the time it is meant to be arrogant and condescending. There are not very many *nice* PC players out there that won't in some way look down their nose at us console players. If the roles where switched you would be making the same response as I'm making now, which is what every PC player needs to keep in mind think of it as an open wound that won't heal because ( the majority ) PC players keep rubbing salt in it by saying " PC is better " which I know it is but every time I hear those 3 words together, it makes me want to punch a PC player just for being condescending. Even if it wasn't meant to be, I as a console player have become used to it being a condescending comment which automatically makes me think it is condescending, which causes me to go on the defensive like I am right now

heh, for a second there I was like "what is this guy talking about??". Then I realised it's actually on topic.
Sorry for slight derail!

I don't need help being Derailed my kids do that for me thanks

Well stated, the sensible gamer in me plays on my 51 inch HD TV, and sits comortable while playing Skyrim. My PC is collecting dust. I'm using my laptop to type this. As for the Skyrim forum police, I agree with your assessment.

That's part of the problem right there though. The problem is internet forums. Unfortunately, they DO NOT represent the wider community at all. It's very easy to assume a web forum community contains a smaller percentage of the wider community, with the same breakdown of personalities, hardware, whatever. But it isnt true.
The fact is that the forums are *mostly* PC players, and you therefore get a very biased opinion.
The current opinions trend the way the industry is going. In recent years, the PC has taken a back seat to games on consoles etc, and as such, those who choose to solely game on PCs have been hurt or left feeling second best. That then makes some of them want to hit back at "the console" (what they perceive to be the reason for their platform's troubles), and console gamers who occasionally pop up on these PC heavy forums are an easy target.

In reality, PC and Console gaming both have their share of advantages and disadvantages. If the PC is so superior, then why is that platform still in the minority overall? The elitists will want you to think it's because it's an intelligent choice that the 'masses' dont go for because they dont have the intelligence to perceive the better choice. In reality though that is just protecting their own egos, for the alternative is that maybe, just maybe, they made a wrong choice.
Now, there isnt a wrong choice in reality, but that doesnt stop people wanting to avoid looking like that. And that's where we are now in this particular chapter of gaming history.

A rude and unnecessary statement. We are all gamers, doesn't matter what we play on.

Exactly
Right now I'm typing this out on my laptop, and I've (finally!!!) docked at the station I wanted to go to in EVE Online.
I use both for different reasons. MMOs, typing heavy games etc I do on the PC/Laptop.
Skyrim, FPS, other stuff, tend to be on my 360.

As for HD TVs and all that. Who doesnt want to be lounging on the sofa, beer snugly nestled between legs, Skyrim on HD TV, and, best of all, there's even floor space for the girlfriend to lay naked across if you need a foot rest!

What's not to like?

I know, which is why try my best to take it with a grain of salt.

OT :

I didn't even know that there was a new patch in the works, perhaps the fix list is incomplete and Beth is compiling more fixes to add to it. I'm just happy that the game is still getting attention after 8 months, shows that Beth still cares The center of my disk is fractured pretty bad so I'll end up buying the GOTY edition anywho, so I can be pretty patient about the game fixes ( I really have not experienced any game breaking bugs to begin with ).

I call my wife my " bar maiden ", but all I get is a worker strike and a walk out. When she returns she has a lighter attitude but mostly due to spending my coin

I'm lucky if I get much time on Skyrim these days Kids always want dora the explorer, or curious george. other half wants Friends, or Big Brother US.

Hah, maybe I should have got it on the PC lol ;P

Now hold on here, I'm against elitism as much as the next (I have every gaming system released since SNES), but many of these points are gross mis-interpretations, unsubstantiated claims, and just inaccurate.


PCs will always have much better visuals. We can get detailed textures, injectors, and we can play in resolutions higher than 720p and with FPS above 30 frames, not to mention the superb ENB thanks to Borov. There is no contest for visuals when compared to a console, at all. Of course, visuals are only part of a game, but to say that they are even remotely similar is just a far stretch.



This is also largely unsubstantiated opinion more than anything. I have a lot of friends recently who just started gaming on PC, and originally thought similarly. Until they actually tried mods. Their opinions changed instantly.

You simply cannot group every mod ever into the "doesn't fit Bethesda's vision" category, there are tonnes of mods that are lore firendly, enhance major gameplay flaws, fix present issues and common complaints. If you really think that all mods are vanilla-conflicting, you simply have not searched hard enough through the thousands of available mods.

In my mind, and this may be a bad anology, but its like a child going into a toy store and saying "I don't want anything here because I don't like toys."

What? There are many kinds of toys, kid. You need to go look around before you lump everything into one pile of "I don't like this."



Major exaggeration there. 90%? Hardly so. You may feel like that, but I'd venture the bet you are exaggerating. The real problem is its just a touchy subject, no one wants to think the hard earned cash spent on their console is money wasted, and it is certainly easy to feel that way when people come into boards saying lines like "you can fix this with console commands."

The problem is, that you shouldn't feel that way at all. There is nothing wrong with owning a console and enjoying it. It just so happens that one platform has more to offer, but who cares? Its your money, and as long as you don't pay head to the few trolls that like to start flame wars you have no one to blame but yourself for getting upset over these non-existent "console-wars."



This couldn't be further than the truth. In recent years the PC has exploded with multitudes of Indie development, and with STeam popularizing amazing sales, multiple AAA developers are beggining to see the potential in the PC market. Need I remind you Diablo III sold 6 million copies recently? a PC exclusive, no less (ignoring the current fact of its DRM issues). And there is also no evidence to show that the PC version is the least popular of the 3 platforms for Skyrim. Currently, to the contrary, PC seems to be the lead for this particular title. Skyrim is one of the highest selling steam titles of all time, and most ranking sites don't even measure Digital transactions, and even in those cases PC sales are only a slim margin behind consoles. So in all likelihood, PC gaming is proving to be more successful as of late. So your theory is very unsubstantiated and has little basis in fact.

Moral of the story: Lets not skew facts on the debate of PCvConsoles, and lets stop giving credence to trolls. If you see someone make a stupid elitist comment, ignore it and move one. If you reply, you are partially to blame for perpetuating a non-existent console war

Just enjoy playing on consoles and ignore hate. There is nothing wrong singing into XBOX live and chatting with pals while playing Skyrim, don't let anyone fool you otherwise.

So on topic... http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/07/24/skyrim-patch-beta-fixes-crashes-improves-optimisation/ states that it does those few things (Ignore the youtube videos, has nothing to do with the patch). I for one welcome the performance improvement and stabilization.

Maybe your right, I may be blowing it out of proportion but if you look in any bug / glitch thread the first response is usually " there's a mod to fix that " without any concern as to weather or not the OP is on console or PC. Then the predictable happens and the thread degenerates into a platform war, I'm not saying that either side is innocent of elitism but it seems that not many stop and remember that this game is across 3 different platforms, which is inconsiderate IMO.

I hope we don't ( console players ) loose any more draw distance with the memory optimizations, I really miss the distance of sight I had when the game was released. The other 2 fixes I haven't experienced. New water shaders....is that PC or would that be the new underwater visuals?

But I think what he's saying and what I'm saying is....

This thread is not one of those such cases, and it might be best NOT to be so defensive about console wars yourself, otherwise you could potentially start the very thing you claim to hate. I mean this thread is now kind of an invite to any "PC elitist" to jump into now.
Having said that, we should probably all drop it and get back on topic.
I've heard the Beta Patch has been giving some people trouble and making their game crash more. Any truth to this? Anyone?

I've heard that it might've fixed the dialogue bug. Which if that's true then that is great.

...You're kidding with me, right?

CLEARLY they intended to annoy their fanbase by having ghost towns created by a borderline unstoppable vampire menace. Sounds positively jolly. That makes complete and total sense and is working as intended. ... REALLY!?

Also... you're aware of the fact that 1.7 will be on the X360 as well, right? That's kind of the reason there are X360-targeted fixes in the update >_> AFAIK, it's coming to the PS3 too. Although since you havn't even heard of the 2nd glitch I mentioned (which by the way entails that, with Serana following you, drain life in Vampire Lord form does as much damage as a blade of grass) I wouldn't be surprised if you actually didn't know.

And I suppose you didn't read (or at least didn't read into) what I said regarding Serana... if I was claiming that Serana not being a marriage candidate was some kind of oversight, you'd have a point though. But that's just not at all the case, hence the reason I mentioned them just being "nice enough to do it" in reference to the fact that many a petition has been started to allow such a thing to happen. Didn't say anything about it being an "issue" of the buggy sort, but given so many people have mentioned it, yeah, actually it is an issue.

Also, the PC doesn't need to have Dawnguard for a patch to be made for it. Dawnguard exists, and therefore, can be patched. Now, if they choose not to patch it for that reason, that's a different matter, but it's not like the option isn't there (which, clearly it is, given there are X360-targeted fixes)

And I've said something along the lines of this in another post but I'll repeat it here... if Bethesda honestly made an engine that is completely incapable of comprehending basic conditional programming, alot of people need to be -fired-. Why? Because conditional programming solved the issue of making patches for content that may or may not be present a VERY long time ago. That is... if you're smart enough to make your engine understand the concept of it.

The vampire attacks are nowhere near as bad as people are making out. G-staff already confirmed that city attacks ARE a feature and not a bug. If you the player dont pay attention to vampire attacks happening and NPC's die thats the players fault. Its no different from a random dragon attack killing people when the player ignores it. Anyone who has "ghost towns" have caused that on their own by not paying attention.

Over 100 hours of dawngaurd and only 4 dead NPC's 3 of which are generic "slaves" and one meat seller who I killed myself.

Hey at least there trying, Hehehehehehehe, dont you remember F3 and oblivion patches...

Lol...love this argument....so you've never been to Antarctica, does that mean it doesn't exist, just because YOU haven't experienced it? I don't think so

Flawed anology.

But to make it easy for you Ill keep my resply in the same context;
Ive been to antarctica, it exists but its not as cold or as desolate as people make out.