[sam westover]

I am not exactly sure why the original poster says that we need to avoid hostile posts. Immature, sure. We shouldn't be calling the people at Bethesda names or what not. But with this sort of complete failure, how could any PS3 or PC user have ANY feeling but rage?

I am angry. Well, angry does not begin to express my feelings. There is a little meme face, Ragey, he fails to express my feelings on this subject. I am going to be very very very clear here:

PC GAMERS MADE BETHESDA!!!! Without us, this company would no exist today. And how are we thanked? "Sorry guys, we don't give to craps about you. No really, you should just go buy our product on Xbox or GTFO." This is not just some of the worst customer service I have ever seen, ever, with any product, this is out and out betrayal of the people who made you what you are today. This is akin to borrowing money from your mother to start up your dream company and then when she asks you if, now that you're a millionaire, if you wouldn't mind paying her back, you stab her to death with a butter knife. This has got to be one of the most outrageously large middle finger the gaming industry has EVER thrown at their PC fan base.

So yeah. I was thinking about not "buying" Dawnguard in protest of the Xbox exclusivity window. Now, I WILL NEVER PAY FOR ANOTHER BETHESDA TITLE AGAIN!!! On the PC, we have options. On the PC, you have to EARN our business. BETHESDA HAS FAILED! IF you care about your platform, as a PC Gamer, you will NEVER "buy" another Bethesda release ever again. It's that simple. And if you do keep buying their products, you are giving them your permission and approval to treat you like a second-class gaming citizen, in which case, you deserve all the crap they throw at you. So STAND UP, VOICE YOUR RAGE, AND VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!

[Jonny]

Not really relevant to the topic but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnG_6U8RWw&feature=plcp

This gave me a great laugh. Should cheer some of you up.

I dont seriously think I have ever laughed so hard in my life, bravo bravo.
That and the guard prank call.

[kennedy]

Skyrim was slated for success from its announcement. Anything with that amount of hype is going to sell hotcakes on day one for all platforms unless one is known to be an absolutely terrible port well before release along with insulting statements from the publisher (MW2 PC, Dragon Age 2 PC, Crysis 2 PC). Ditto for any Call of Duty game on the consoles. There's a big difference between "securing an investment" and "making more money! (maybe)".

I already addressed this issue in an earlier post I made. The people at Bethesda (Zenimax) can't make responsible business decisions based on hope or assumptions. Saying something was "slated for success" is an assumption. Kingdoms of Amalur was convincing enough of a project for Rhode Island to loan it 90 million dollars. Irresponsible mismanagement will kill a company like 38 studios. Bethesda is being responsible by taking early exclusivity money before Skyrim launched.

Again, I feel like I'm just wasting my words because no one wants to hear facts, everyone just wants to complain about why they aren't playing DLC yet. I am not trying to defend Bethesda or exclusivity rights, but there seem to be so many confused people here who can't understand why these kinds of deals happen. You are all participating in a hundred billion dollar industry and your contribution to that industry is sixty dollars each. You all should have a realistic understanding of how the hobby you participate in works.

[Allison Sizemore]

I already addressed this issue in an earlier post I made. The people at Bethesda (Zenimax) can't make responsible business decisions based on hope or assumptions. Saying something was "slated for success" is an assumption. Kingdoms of Amalur was convincing enough of a project for Rhode Island to loan it 90 million dollars. Irresponsible mismanagement will kill a company like 38 studios. Bethesda is being responsible by taking early exclusivity money before Skyrim launched.

Again, I feel like I'm just wasting my words because no one wants to hear facts, everyone just wants to complain about why they aren't playing DLC yet. I am not trying to defend Bethesda or exclusivity rights, but there seem to be so many confused people here who can't understand why these kinds of deals happen. You are all participating in a hundred billion dollar industry and your contribution to that industry is sixty dollars each. You all should have a realistic understanding of how the hobby you participate in works.

couldn't of said it better myself.

[x a million...]

Well in a months time Guild Wars 2 is out, as well as other games mentioned above, and if they do not want support the PC then PC players will buy other games.

It is no loss that Dawnguard is not coming to PC, it is that they lied/mislead us and try to cover it up. Why don't they come clean and say it is very buggy and we want to wait until it is fixed and patched?

ArenaNet treat costumers better then Beth, so in a month ill be play Guild Wars 2 instead of the abandoned PC version of Skyrim.

This

[flora]

I already addressed this issue in an earlier post I made. The people at Bethesda (Zenimax) can't make responsible business decisions based on hope or assumptions. Saying something was "slated for success" is an assumption. Kingdoms of Amalur was convincing enough of a project for Rhode Island to loan it 90 million dollars. Irresponsible mismanagement will kill a company like 38 studios. Bethesda is being responsible by taking early exclusivity money before Skyrim launched.

Again, I feel like I'm just wasting my words because no one wants to hear facts, everyone just wants to complain about why they aren't playing DLC yet. I am not trying to defend Bethesda or exclusivity rights, but there seem to be so many confused people here who can't understand why these kinds of deals happen. You are all participating in a hundred billion dollar industry and your contribution to that industry is sixty dollars each. You all should have a realistic understanding of how the hobby you participate in works.

You sir deserve a http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r105/Enoil/ImperialFishyStick.jpg.

[Stacy Hope]

Saying Rhode Island is willing to lend to them, when no one else in the private market (aka their own skin in the game) is not a strong argument for Amalur. At least not a substantial amount privately.

[Marilú]

Like I said,under no circumstances am I paying $20 for a DLC that got bad reviews to begin with.Almost all said it wasn't "fun after a fwe hours". That means the story is a borefest.

[Emma Parkinson]

I'm sure this is all been said before, but we all paid the same for the game. But PC and PS3 users don't get the same level of commitment from the developer with regards to Dawnguard. Arguablly, PS3 users get less support than the other platforms. Question is, does Xbox just look after their customers better by buying them exclusive content? I think it's arguable that exclusive content is doing Beth more harm than what it's earned them in cash from Microsoft.

[Add Me]

I'm sure this is all been said before, but we all paid the same for the game. But PC and PS3 users don't get the same level of commitment from the developer with regards to Dawnguard. Arguablly, PS3 users get less support than the other platforms. Question is, does Xbox just look after their customers better by buying them exclusive content? I think it's arguable that exclusive content is doing Beth more harm than what it's earned them in cash from Microsoft.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Tiff Clark]

I already addressed this issue in an earlier post I made. The people at Bethesda (Zenimax) can't make responsible business decisions based on hope or assumptions. Saying something was "slated for success" is an assumption. Kingdoms of Amalur was convincing enough of a project for Rhode Island to loan it 90 million dollars. Irresponsible mismanagement will kill a company like 38 studios. Bethesda is being responsible by taking early exclusivity money before Skyrim launched.

Again, I feel like I'm just wasting my words because no one wants to hear facts, everyone just wants to complain about why they aren't playing DLC yet. I am not trying to defend Bethesda or exclusivity rights, but there seem to be so many confused people here who can't understand why these kinds of deals happen. You are all participating in a hundred billion dollar industry and your contribution to that industry is sixty dollars each. You all should have a realistic understanding of how the hobby you participate in works.

I am a little confused. While I am not one of those that is mad at Microsoft over this issue (as in, if Microsoft can shell out a crap ton of cash to help a product they are selling, then it's totally within their rights to do so). I am however furious at Bethesda, and the notion that because I "only" gave them 60 bucks I should just sit down, shut up, and be thankful at the scraps they decide to feed me it ridiculous. I should be furious. I should stop "buying" their products. And others who don't like being treated like second-class gaming citizens should do the same. Saying that my 60 dollar contribution is small is silly. Sure, my individual 60 dollar contribution is tiny, but if NO gamer contributed 60 dollars, Betheda would go out of business, therefore, we, the gamers, have ALL the power, so long as we stop being mindless drones that consume whatever we are told to consume and say "thank you" when a AAA company slaps us across the face, again. Stop being sheep! STAND UP and be counted.

[Steve Fallon]

I am a little confused. While I am not one of those that is mad at Microsoft over this issue (as in, if Microsoft can shell out a crap ton of cash to help a product they are selling, then it's totally within their rights to do so). I am however furious at Bethesda, and the notion that because I "only" gave them 60 bucks I should just sit down, shut up, and be thankful at the scraps they decide to feed me it ridiculous. I should be furious. I should stop "buying" their products. And others who don't like being treated like second-class gaming citizens should do the same. Saying that my 60 dollar contribution is small is silly. Sure, my individual 60 dollar contribution is tiny, but if NO gamer contributed 60 dollars, Betheda would go out of business, therefore, we, the gamers, have ALL the power, so long as we stop being mindless drones that consume whatever we are told to consume and say "thank you" when a AAA company slaps us across the face, again. Stop being sheep! STAND UP and be counted.

Why do you keep quoting buy?

[TASTY TRACY]

I am a little confused. While I am not one of those that is mad at Microsoft over this issue (as in, if Microsoft can shell out a crap ton of cash to help a product they are selling, then it's totally within their rights to do so). I am however furious at Bethesda, and the notion that because I "only" gave them 60 bucks I should just sit down, shut up, and be thankful at the scraps they decide to feed me it ridiculous. I should be furious. I should stop "buying" their products. And others who don't like being treated like second-class gaming citizens should do the same. Saying that my 60 dollar contribution is small is silly. Sure, my individual 60 dollar contribution is tiny, but if NO gamer contributed 60 dollars, Betheda would go out of business, therefore, we, the gamers, have ALL the power, so long as we stop being mindless drones that consume whatever we are told to consume and say "thank you" when a AAA company slaps us across the face, again. Stop being sheep! STAND UP and be counted.

Yes I agree. It is not Microsoft's fault, they have the right to do what they did, and technically Bethesda has the right to do what they did. It is Microsoft's duty to watch out for their customers, as it is Bethesda's duty to watch out for their customers (which means not selling exclusive content to one gaming platform...)

[Aliish Sheldonn]

I already addressed this issue in an earlier post I made. The people at Bethesda (Zenimax) can't make responsible business decisions based on hope or assumptions. Saying something was "slated for success" is an assumption. Kingdoms of Amalur was convincing enough of a project for Rhode Island to loan it 90 million dollars. Irresponsible mismanagement will kill a company like 38 studios. Bethesda is being responsible by taking early exclusivity money before Skyrim launched.

Again, I feel like I'm just wasting my words because no one wants to hear facts, everyone just wants to complain about why they aren't playing DLC yet. I am not trying to defend Bethesda or exclusivity rights, but there seem to be so many confused people here who can't understand why these kinds of deals happen. You are all participating in a hundred billion dollar industry and your contribution to that industry is sixty dollars each. You all should have a realistic understanding of how the hobby you participate in works.

Taking that bribe money has consequences. It is not free money. Not only are they losing customer loyalty and hurting their company's reputation (by colluding in this practice with a company with a history of anti-competitive behavior and convictions), they will also lose money from pc / ps3 players that will have moved on to other games. It is not all black & white like you're making it out to be.

[Paul Rice]

If Beth is willing to take the risk of alienating a loyal paying fanbase (including modders), so be it. They made their bed. Maybe there is something I don't see business wise, we will see if it pays off.

[Christine Pane]

The problem now for Beth is the PR disaster. There's a big ol' community of extremely unhappy people, which are very networked together, and there's a massive amount of press about that statement earlier...all full of comments from us lot. It's not great is it.

[Dominic Vaughan]

I already addressed this issue in an earlier post I made. The people at Bethesda (Zenimax) can't make responsible business decisions based on hope or assumptions. Saying something was "slated for success" is an assumption. Kingdoms of Amalur was convincing enough of a project for Rhode Island to loan it 90 million dollars. Irresponsible mismanagement will kill a company like 38 studios. Bethesda is being responsible by taking early exclusivity money before Skyrim launched.

Again, I feel like I'm just wasting my words because no one wants to hear facts, everyone just wants to complain about why they aren't playing DLC yet. I am not trying to defend Bethesda or exclusivity rights, but there seem to be so many confused people here who can't understand why these kinds of deals happen. You are all participating in a hundred billion dollar industry and your contribution to that industry is sixty dollars each. You all should have a realistic understanding of how the hobby you participate in works.

Don't use Amalur as an example. They had to sell over a million copies to avoid being shut down. That was simply bad business and has nothing to do with anything we're talking about.

[nath]

They dun goofed.

[Gavin Roberts]

I feel like I'm reading conspiracy theories.

[Juanita Hernandez]

I am not exactly sure why the original poster says that we need to avoid hostile posts. Immature, sure. We shouldn't be calling the people at Bethesda names or what not. But with this sort of complete failure, how could any PS3 or PC user have ANY feeling but rage?
...
So yeah. I was thinking about not "buying" Dawnguard in protest of the Xbox exclusivity window. Now, I WILL NEVER PAY FOR ANOTHER BETHESDA TITLE AGAIN!!! On the PC, we have options. On the PC, you have to EARN our business. BETHESDA HAS FAILED! IF you care about your platform, as a PC Gamer, you will NEVER "buy" another Bethesda release ever again. It's that simple. And if you do keep buying their products, you are giving them your permission and approval to treat you like a second-class gaming citizen, in which case, you deserve all the crap they throw at you. So STAND UP, VOICE YOUR RAGE, AND VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!

And then they will look at their spreadsheets and say to themselves, why release this content at all for other platforms? Or create dlc at all. Although I am not sure thats a bad thing. From what I recall of prior interviews with beth devs they wanted to go more shivering isles and less horse armor with dlc. From various complaints I have heard, it sounds like they missed the mark on content, but hit it with the pricing

[Prohibited]

working in market resrearch I could say that from a busines standpoint, their exclusivity deal is kind of weird, since I highly doubt that anybody interested in playing Skyrim would have done so on the basis on DLC for a console...the would have picked it on the basis of one game running correctly and anoher like crap on each system....but their total lack of information is baffling....Iunderstand that 60% of their sales might come from the Xbox...but not even addresing the issue is such a stupid PR move that is the result is that their fan base (albeit their lesser fan base) is getting angry about it....I personay could not care less for teh DLC since I will not be using it on my current char and current modlist, so if they release in September (as it certainly looks like) it all gravy to me....hell I have plenty of games in my sights (Fallout 3 and New Vegas for example) to keep me highly entertained

[naome duncan]

The people saying that they are not going to get this DLC... I don't believe you I know most of you are going to get it anyways

[Greg Cavaliere]

I already addressed this issue in an earlier post I made. The people at Bethesda (Zenimax) can't make responsible business decisions based on hope or assumptions. Saying something was "slated for success" is an assumption. Kingdoms of Amalur was convincing enough of a project for Rhode Island to loan it 90 million dollars. Irresponsible mismanagement will kill a company like 38 studios. Bethesda is being responsible by taking early exclusivity money before Skyrim launched.

Again, I feel like I'm just wasting my words because no one wants to hear facts, everyone just wants to complain about why they aren't playing DLC yet. I am not trying to defend Bethesda or exclusivity rights, but there seem to be so many confused people here who can't understand why these kinds of deals happen. You are all participating in a hundred billion dollar industry and your contribution to that industry is sixty dollars each. You all should have a realistic understanding of how the hobby you participate in works.

They care about money more than fans... thats where they [censored] up.

[Alexxxxxx]

I am not exactly sure why the original poster says that we need to avoid hostile posts. Immature, sure. We shouldn't be calling the people at Bethesda names or what not. But with this sort of complete failure, how could any PS3 or PC user have ANY feeling but rage?

I am angry. Well, angry does not begin to express my feelings. There is a little meme face, Ragey, he fails to express my feelings on this subject. I am going to be very very very clear here:

PC GAMERS MADE BETHESDA!!!! Without us, this company would no exist today. And how are we thanked? "Sorry guys, we don't give to craps about you. No really, you should just go buy our product on Xbox or GTFO." This is not just some of the worst customer service I have ever seen, ever, with any product, this is out and out betrayal of the people who made you what you are today. This is akin to borrowing money from your mother to start up your dream company and then when she asks you if, now that you're a millionaire, if you wouldn't mind paying her back, you stab her to death with a butter knife. This has got to be one of the most outrageously large middle finger the gaming industry has EVER thrown at their PC fan base.

So yeah. I was thinking about not "buying" Dawnguard in protest of the Xbox exclusivity window. Now, I WILL NEVER PAY FOR ANOTHER BETHESDA TITLE AGAIN!!! On the PC, we have options. On the PC, you have to EARN our business. BETHESDA HAS FAILED! IF you care about your platform, as a PC Gamer, you will NEVER "buy" another Bethesda release ever again. It's that simple. And if you do keep buying their products, you are giving them your permission and approval to treat you like a second-class gaming citizen, in which case, you deserve all the crap they throw at you. So STAND UP, VOICE YOUR RAGE, AND VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!

I agree.

[Baby K(:]

The people saying that they are not going to get this DLC... I don't believe you I know most of you are going to get it anyways

i agree, i know i'm getting it, it makes sense. how do you tell Beth that you want the next dlc faster, buy the ____ out of it.