[Beth Belcher]

I agree I dont think boycotting is nessasary unless BGS continues to pretend like there is nothing wrong how long are they going to ignore us we have technical issues and all they care about is a large payout from dg

Blame the marketing people.
Not the devs.

[:)Colleenn]

Look at this garbage. http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/726393/skyrims-dawnguard-dlc-still-unconfirmed-for-ps3pc/

Not even confirmed to hit PC/PS3. Didn't Mass Effect just get their pants sued off for false advertising? It's one thing to be late on your initial 30 day promise, but to just not make good on it whatsoever is pretty much false advertising. Getting pretty sick of corporate greed in my gaming.

I agree with you, I am sick to the [censored] back teeth of it to be honest.
Gaming is about escapism, mostly from day to day corporate [censored] and now we get dragged through it while trying to get away from it.

[Prisca Lacour]

I wonder how many of the people that are mad are PC players. I'd understand PS3 players being pissed off. They've been getting shafted since the release of Skyrim. But, PC players? We have mods, and the USKP. Let me rephrase that: THE [censored] USKP! You know, the one that fixes a crap load of bugs. PC players have more than enough to keep themselves entertained. I do feel bad for the PS3 players though. Bethesda basically gave them the middle finger from the start.

[Terry]

I'm not overly fussed about Dawnguard's release date as I'm not going to buy it until I can get it at a reduced price. But talk of boycott is just silly. Bethesda's next game will hopefully be Fallout 4, and although I won't ever make a day one purchase of a Bethesda game again I will definitely be buying it at some point along with 99.999% of everyone else who says they're going to boycott Bethesda.

[Laura Tempel]

Blame the marketing people.
Not the devs.

who is responsible for fixing my game BGS or zenimax ?

[Vincent Joe]

who is responsible for fixing my game BGS or zenimax ?

BGS.
They dont control when the patches come out.
The marketing people do.

[Reven Lord]

Posts talking of piracy and burning MS/Beth have gone away. Take great care of post content please.

[Daniel Holgate]

Well I guess I might as well jump in this mess as well.. Only I'm not worried about when DG will or won't come out. I figure we were lied to before Skyrim came out that we ONLY needed an internet connection to activate our copies that were bought on disks. What happens we get a stealth patch the first day that forces us to have an internet connection. And no, steams ability to go offline doesn't work right 90% of the time. Then to add insult to injury we get the CK and lo and behold its tied to steam as well. So now i'm tied to a 3rd party and the whims of my internet provider as to when I'm able to play my game or even be able to create mods for it. I started the ES series with Oblivion, have played Morrowind and I bought into the hype about Skyrim like all the other fans of the series. But you know what, I don't really care about DG... I got burned once, shame on me... I'm not getting burned again. Skyrim at $60 was a rip off.. Maybe at $40 I would have felt better but after paying for an over priced game if you think I'm going to run out and toss another $20 on a 10+ hour DLC you're mistaken.

Somewhere down the road the price is going to come down to something reasonable ( maybe even the GoTY edition in the future) BUT, and this is my BIGGEST concern... You start tossing those patches they better be backward compatible to DLC-less versions. If you think all the flak that has been tossed out over the above issues from the fanbase here since Skyrim was released up to the delay on DG getting released has been bad.. Mess up those of us who choose not to purchase the DLC and get our games screwed up to the point we're told we have to purchase the DLC to fix our games and you'll think the previous complaining was praise in comparison to what will happen then.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[Ross Thomas]

I dunno why the hell microsoft made xbox. PC and PS1 and PS2 used to rule the gaming world. Now xbox is stealing all the glory. All games are out first on stupid xbox then a month or two later they are on PS3 and PC. Why cant they release them for all platform at the same time ? Is it that hard? Also I hate when a gaming company says it doesnt profit to make a game for PC as well not only for xbox. Dawnguard should be out now a month has passed.

Microsoft doesn't make any money from PC game sales and they have no control over PC gaming outside of maintaining DirectX (most of which is handed to them by NV and ATI anyway).

Anyway, Xbox has almost zero worthwhile exclusives these days, and only a few devs decide to accept bribes.

Also, for everyone else: Don't blame Zenimax. Zenimax is making a PC exclusive (TESO), and the devs just trash-talked 360 as "too poor quality hardware for our game." Bethesda does marketing for the Xbox brand. Do 2+2 yourself. These bribes and the marketing payments are done at the Bethesda level with Zeni's permission, since Zeni's own studio can say whatever they want.

Can you blame them for accepting money, no.

Yes actually, I can.

Can you blame a politician for accepting money from cigarette companies to intentionally delay and stonewall anti-smoking legislation? By your logic, no.

[Neil]

Exclusivity to a platform isn't a problem, waiting 30 days or more for something that is multi platform is the problem.
Some developers either prefer or are financially compensated to stick to a platform of choice, fair enough.
They are not putting other platforms on a 30 day wait because someone gave them money to do it and for no other reason.
They don't have to accept the money, there is a thing called integrity.
But from recent events surrounding banks and other money worshippers I really don't expect integrity to come into it anyway.
All the games industry is rife with it, thanks to money orientated publishers holding the reins.

The delay could probably well be due to sorting out the DLC and getting it working or due to marketing strategies, don't get me started on marketing asshats either as they are a part of the problem, but we will never know until someone at Bethesda actually does the decent thing and put everyone properly in the picture.

So you would rather be tied to one specific platform if you wanted to play skyrim, than have it available on all, with the DLC delayed on some?

Does... Not... Compute...

[Damned_Queen]

I wonder how many of the people that are mad are PC players. I'd understand PS3 players being pissed off. They've been getting shafted since the release of Skyrim. But, PC players? We have mods, and the USKP. Let me rephrase that: THE [censored] USKP! You know, the one that fixes a crap load of bugs. PC players have more than enough to keep themselves entertained. I do feel bad for the PS3 players though. Bethesda basically gave them the middle finger from the start.

Not very forward thinking.
Think how many mods are not being created right now because Dawnguard isn't out yet, reskins, new weapons, races, homes. All things that can gain from Dawnguard content.
So modding suffers as well.

The lack of content isn't the bone of contention here, it is the discrimination of gamer classes due to the platform they decided to invest in.
And generally the lack of respect given by the Publisher (the devs are free from this as their hands are tied) for their customer base by refusing to comment in any way that actually makes sense or has clarity, and not just some silly typical could have been written by a five year old lawyer statements that try to brush round the facts.

Please Beth, just give it to us straight.

[Del Arte]

Posts talking of piracy and burning MS/Beth have gone away. Take great care of post content please.

Apologies not my intent.

[casey macmillan]

Well I guess I might as well jump in this mess as well.. Only I'm not worried about when DG will or won't come out. I figure we were lied to before Skyrim came out that we ONLY needed an internet connection to activate our copies that were bought on disks. What happens we get a stealth patch the first day that forces us to have an internet connection. And no, steams ability to go offline doesn't work right 90% of the time. Then to add insult to injury we get the CK and lo and behold its tied to steam as well. So now i'm tied to a 3rd party and the whims of my internet provider as to when I'm able to play my game or even be able to create mods for it. I started the ES series with Oblivion, have played Morrowind and I bought into the hype about Skyrim like all the other fans of the series. But you know what, I don't really care about DG... I got burned once, shame on me... I'm not getting burned again. Skyrim at $60 was a rip off.. Maybe at $40 I would have felt better but after paying for an over priced game if you think I'm going to run out and toss another $20 on a 10+ hour DLC you're mistaken. Somewhere down the road the price is going to come down to something reasonable ( maybe even the GoTY edition in the future) BUT, and this is my BIGGEST concern... You start tossing those patches they better be backward compatible to DLC-less versions. If you think all the flak that has been tossed out over the above issues from the fanbase here since Skyrim was released up to the delay on DG getting released has been bad.. Mess up those of us who choose not to purchase the DLC and get our games screwed up to the point we're told we have to purchase the DLC to fix our games and you'll think the previous complaining was praise in comparison to what will happen then.

Just my 2 cents worth.

From what I heard, its a big dissapointment.
Im becoming a vampire lord then going on a killing spree.

[Isaac Saetern]

i have heard that they cant release it because the ps3 is made where something is not reading the files right for the dlc and the whole game that is why it is messed up... it isnt because bethseda doesnt care it is the files arent going together

No, this is not why. The 1.7 patch has to be released for the PS3 before they can even think about having Dawnguard on it.

[Jaylene Brower]

BGS.
They dont control when the patches come out.
The marketing people do.

then they are who im talking to I have been waiting 8 months for a patch that will let me play skyrim uniterupted crashes and other bugs keep hendering so I think if they continue to ignore us we should boycott them game devs themselves should just go work for a company that communicate and care about releasing patches instead of making money

[Sandeep Khatkar]

No, this is not why. The 1.7 patch has to be released for the PS3 before they can even think about having Dawnguard on it.

This, because in the 1.7 update is the 1.6 update rolled in and in the 1.6 update are the important things to run dawnguard, this is why xbox could easily get it cause they had 1.6 already and pc could actually run it already to, but here you get MS [censored]

[jesse villaneda]

Not even confirmed to hit PC/PS3. Didn't Mass Effect just get their pants sued off for false advertising? It's one thing to be late on your initial 30 day promise, but to just not make good on it whatsoever is pretty much false advertising. Getting pretty sick of corporate greed in my gaming.

The fact that Xbox gamers are playing Dawnguard as we speak is proof enough that DLC is completed.I don't know why Bethesda is not releasing it for other platforms nor do I know what Pete Hines meant with that tweet.Now it appears not only this 30 days wait was frustrating but now it was all useless since we don't even know if we will ever see DG released for PC/PS3.Srsly how much is Microsoft paying you to do this? I hope its enough cause you are losing trust of fans worldwide!

[Emma Louise Adams]

then they are who im talking to I have been waiting 8 months for a patch that will let me play skyrim uniterupted crashes and other bugs keep hendering so I think if they continue to ignore us we should boycott them game devs themselves should just go work for a company that communicate and care about releasing patches instead of making money

I actually don't have much issues with skyrim on my PS3 since the 1.5 patch before that it only hang once in a while...

[Camden Unglesbee]

I wonder how many of the people that are mad are PC players. I'd understand PS3 players being pissed off. They've been getting shafted since the release of Skyrim. But, PC players? We have mods, and the USKP. Let me rephrase that: THE [censored] USKP! You know, the one that fixes a crap load of bugs. PC players have more than enough to keep themselves entertained. I do feel bad for the PS3 players though. Bethesda basically gave them the middle finger from the start.

I use PC and Im not really concerned that the DLC isnt out, as I assumed it would be an august release, for me the inability on bethesda's part to actually communicate like human beings is a bit jarring. DG is neither here nor there for me, right now the Belua Sanguinare Mod makes being a vampire loads of fun add Skyrim Redone in there and Im good for a long while.

[SUck MYdIck]

I actually don't have much issues with skyrim on my PS3 since the 1.5 patch before that it only hang once in a while...

see im at the exact opposite of that i had no problems before 1.5 and the moment i installed 1.5 my skyrim adventure was over smacked by lag and other stuff

[Sista Sila]

No, this is not why. The 1.7 patch has to be released for the PS3 before they can even think about having Dawnguard on it.

I dont know WHY they cant release it for the PC, we have 1.6, the least they could do is release a beta.

[Hella Beast]

The only real complaint I have is the way Pete Hines goes about answering PC players questions. He is the pr guy right?

[joseluis perez]

Why does this always come back to exclusivity? That is one horse that's been whipped, beaten and kicked to death. Leave the damn thing alone, it's like a sore tooth with a lot of you guys, you keep probing your tooth with your tongue, but it just makes it hurt all the worse.

The point we need to stress over and over with these posts is the communication problem between Bethesda PR and the community, if enough posters keep repeting the same thing they may finally get the message. Continually rambling on about the exclusive only detracts from the questions that need answering.

1. Why are Bethesda being so secretive about the Dawnguard release on platforms other than Xbox?
2. Why are we not even being given a general referance as to when it will be released, if ever.

I believe everyone here would like these questions answered, I don't believe they want to know why the Xbox got it first. The fact is it did and no amount of whining will change that.

[DAVId Bryant]

see im at the exact opposite of that i had no problems before 1.5 and the moment i installed 1.5 my skyrim adventure was over smacked by lag and other stuff

That's strange somehow, i only have lag once in a while but that's if i'm playing like the complete day and in the heat of 30 degrees celsius + but i'm more outside then behind the ps so...

[Alan Whiston]

Why does this always come back to exclusivity? That is one horse that's been whipped, beaten and kicked to death. Leave the damn thing alone, it's like a sore tooth with a lot of you guys, you keep probing your tooth with your tongue, but it just makes it hurt all the worse.

The point we need to stress over and over with these posts is the communication problem between Bethesda PR and the community, if enough posters keep repeting the same thing they may finally get the message. Continually rambling on about the exclusive only detracts from the questions that need answering.

1. Why are Bethesda being so secretive about the Dawnguard release on platforms other than Xbox?
2. Why are we not even being given a general referance as to when it will be released, if ever.

I believe everyone here would like these questions answered, I don't believe the want to know why the Xbox got it first. The fact is it did and no amount of whining will change that.

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