I'd much rather have free online, than have Sony have to charge to get all these exclusives.

After they started charging me ten bucks a month for live and I had six red rings of death, I was done.
I'm very far from a hater on businesses trying to make a profit, but Microsoft is horrible!
My PS3's online is free, I never have to buy batteries for the controllers, and it has never broken....not even once....

Because cultivating ill will among customers and treating them as second rate consumers is an amazing business practice.

I'm actually an economics major.
I'm not saying it is a bad move, monetarily wise, but there's a thing called good will.

If you continually piss of your base they will leave....
They can't shuffle in enough new consumers to make up for their continual loss if they keep up this sort of quality/customer relations.
It would have been a better move on Bethesda's part to reject the deal; sure it seems like a lot up front, but if everyone quits playing your games Microsoft won't pay you anymore.

By all means, enlighten us ignorant ones. We're all eyes.

Fast money is all that matters to shareholders these days. Long term greed is dead now its instant or get out. When you goal is instant money, customer satisfaction, quality and ethics goes out the window.

Ohh look, a whole bunch of people acting like Bethesda is some cliche super-evil Illuminati type orginzation hellbent on screwing people over while totally ignoring the fact that Xbox 360 deals are strong-armed on companies by Microsoft using shady business practises like threatening to never publish DLC on the 360 unless its on the 360 first.


Why am I not suprised.

This says it all.


MY PS3 USER'S IRRITAT-O-METER

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Furious
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It peaked at "Furious" when DB was announced, then dropped when Bethesda assured us that DLC was "close". But it's rising again. And if DB is released with no now info, it's going to spike. I'd say "Furious" at least, maybe "Fuming".

Cute. I think you've by far used the most hyperbole than any of the people forming complaints.

Strong-armed? No offense to 360 users, but if they at any point found Microsofts 'shady business practices' to be unacceptable, they could have just given them the finger. They'd still have the PS3 and PC users backing them. But obviously that's not the case.

Sure, it might have been less money. Sure, Beth is a business. But you never greenlight projects like this without having a few options for compromises. And they DEFINITELY can't expect us to make compromises because of their actions.

The fact that they've been bending over for M$ like this, for this long, is really concerning. I wouldn't be surprised if they're bought out entirely by M$ somewhere down the line.

You and me both. Either your business makes enough money to holdover a nice chunk in retained earnings at year end, or it's not viable. If it's not viable, it doesn't matter what the consumer wants. Um... Twinkies? Wonder Bread? Okay, sometimes there are other factors at play, like overhead, but you know what I mean.


Huh? You turn down a deal because of an issue that will be a complete non-issue in 30 days? Seriously? No, you take that incredibly sweet Holiday Bonus and, if you're smart, you distro a good portion of it to the employees who made it possible. THEN, since you've already announced "more to come", you take a nice little "freebie" pack, maybe something with weapons and/or armor and/or NPCs and/or Radiant Questing, and you distro it post-wait period to all customers as a "thank you for a great year and for being such good sports, we appreciate you" kind of thing. THAT'S smart business, especially if it's even moderately more than a "new clothes" DLC that people actually pay for in other games.

"ohh yeah its totally viable for us to lose the 360 market".

That's not how companies work, none of them.

oh well

Consider my copy of skyrim traded(if gamestop doesnt laugh at me when i come in looking to trade a PS3 copy of skyrim). Early next year, what a joke.

May be delays are bad but existence of XBOX is good for PC users...
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I couldn't agree with you more.

They could delay the DLC for six months for PC for all I care, but holy crap is the lack of communication frustrating. It's a good thing I've only just upgraded to playing on PC, because I have a whole lot of mods to try in the meantime.

Prove it.

So, from what I can read here no Dragonborn today or this month? Too bad.

Settle down people... its just business nothing personal, we all know that saying. Bethesda had a great deal with Microsoft and they chose to accept it (obviously a win for both companies). Look at the bigger picture more money for bethesda better DLC and games for us in the future. Everyone wins!

STOP.

Being a company does not justify being dikes to your oldest and most loyal fanbase (PC), nor is it necessary in order to make money. Fact evidenced by companies like Valve who make loads with steam and TF2 hat sales while also being very friendly to their community.

That's not even mentioning the PS3 who's been getting nothing but the finger from beth since release. SINCE [censored] RELEASE.

Valve is only in the position they are becuase they made STEAM. If Valve had never made steam, they would be eactly where Bethesda is now, under the heel of Microsoft.

Valve is an anomoly in the gaming unvierse, trying to compare ANYONE to them is flawed, becuase only they are in the postion they are in.

hmmn where did you get your business degree? from a box of Cornflakes.........

We understand. We don't care.

I don't work for Bethesda. It's business decisions are none of my concern.

Less than 800 hours to go before us leeches on the pc get Dragonborn. I just want to apologize to Bethesda for being such a burden. I know my place now its at the back of the bus.

Would you prefer if I used Blizzard as an example instead? Their service is terrible right now, and they STILL manage to communicate more with their fanbase than Bethesda. They're owned by >>ACTIVISION<< and still they don't sell out their customers as much as Bethesda.

This "N-NO BUT THEY'RE A BUSINESS" thing is pretty much just bending over and taking whatever shady, scummy and disgusting excuse to make a little more profit Beth gives you up the ass.

I'm tired of Bethesda putting it in me!