PS3 Release for Dawnguard - Thread #4 : V - Skyrim

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:49 am

PC / x360 Dawnguard is real bugfest, thanks to delay on PS3.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:44 pm

So, what your saying is that your metaphorical dish (Dawngaurd) is completely overdue. Therefore PS3 alone should be entitled to a 5 dollar discount?

No. I am saying that the metaphorical dish (Dawnguard) is overdue because their cook tried to make my dish but screwed it up so bad that it tasted awful. (programming inability on the part of Beth) Then instead of coming out and saying "We are so very sorry, your dish should be ready in 20 minutes" they said "The dish you ordered from us hasn't been prepared to our standards and we can't give it to you until it is"

My response "When will that be?"

Beth "we don't know"

That is poor business practice.

Oh and I'm not saying near $5 discount, even dropping it to $17.99 or like the other guy said, a free avatar or PS3 theme or something... ANYTHING. FIGHT FOR MY BUSINESS BETH!

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:03 pm

No. I am saying that the metaphorical dish (Dawnguard) is overdue because their cook tried to make my dish but screwed it up so bad that it tasted awful. (programming inability on the part of Beth) Then instead of coming out and saying "We are so very sorry, your dish should be ready in 20 minutes" they said "The dish you ordered from us hasn't been prepared to our standards and we can't give it to you until it is"

Your anology is wrong. To put in terms of your bad anology; In the restraunt, you are entering, sitting down and ordering a dish that is not on the menu. You are then complaining to the chef that its not on the menu and stating that you should get it cheaper because its not on the menu. The rest of the customers are telling you that its not only illogical and asinine to demand a discount, its unfair on those who have already paid for the same identical dish at another restruant of the same chain for full price.

So no, no discount for you.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:41 am

No. I am saying that the metaphorical dish (Dawnguard) is overdue because their cook tried to make my dish but screwed it up so bad that it tasted awful. (programming inability on the part of Beth) Then instead of coming out and saying "We are so very sorry, your dish should be ready in 20 minutes" they said "The dish you ordered from us hasn't been prepared to our standards and we can't give it to you until it is"

My response "When will that be?"

Beth "we don't know"

That is poor business practice.

Oh and I'm not saying near $5 discount, even dropping it to $17.99 or like the other guy said, a free avatar or PS3 theme or something... ANYTHING. FIGHT FOR MY BUSINESS BETH!

I second this
And nice anology. Exactly what is happening with Bethesda Silenceworks

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:19 pm

This thread gets more and more depressing.....

Plain and simple truth is no matter what happens PS3 player will be charged full price of $20 for DG, bethesda will shurg off the idea of a discount, and the cycle will continue on.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:50 pm

Just sitting here with some popcorn watching the fight unfold.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:10 pm

I have to admit I'm a bit amused by the "we deserve more" because we don't have it yet mentality. If you haven;t noticed, some supposedly "bonus" features like arrow cams ( wish I could turn em off personally) mounted horse combat, and othe miniutae have already been tossed into their patches, a little PR fodder to say, hay we are giving you bonus stuff, are we ccol now?

Getting back to the main topic though, Bethesda shipped a pretty shoddy version Of Skyrim to their PS3 patrons. They've made it run somewhat better, but some other elements are sacrificed with each of the patches including the recent 1.6 (1.7 sort of) Check out the PS3 problems subforum here for more info.

Things like this are hard to quantify, just like the notorious frame lag / skips issue, it affects players differently depending on their gaming styles, and the health of their consoles. Point is , and for me it always has been, the game we have was not coded properly for PS3 properly, and Bethesda has taken near enough 8 months just to bring it up to mediocrity (IMO) . The weight of the DLC upon this weak coding foundation is likely collapsing the game back in on itself.

We may see the Dawnguard DLC, but I'd certainly expect other compromises in game appearance and content to make it happen, just as the most of the patches have required. Same goes with any future DLC afterwards. Takes more memory capacity and place more demands on its management structure. One gets the feeling Bethesda only barely got the base game working well enough to ship, They certainly never have got it working anywhere near the equaivalent of the other platforms, and aren't even within shouting distance of the quality of 4Js' coding for OBLIVION. That game suffered from occasional freezes, and bug-quests, but nothing remotely along the lines of the Stroboscopic graphic renderings and ccontroller command freezes we've suffered with Skyrim.

I really do hope Bethesda is up to the challenge here. We'll see....

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:55 pm

Your anology is wrong. To put in terms of your bad anology; In the restraunt, you are entering, sitting down and ordering a dish that is not on the menu. You are then complaining to the chef that its not on the menu and stating that you should get it cheaper because its not on the menu. The rest of the customers are telling you that its not only illogical and asinine to demand a discount, its unfair on those who have already paid for the same identical dish at another restruant of the same chain for full price.

So no, no discount for you.

I think you are right, the delay itself is no reason for d discount but there are 3 reasons to do give a discount

1: if what people are saying is true and its mutch buggyer as the PC/xbox versions.
2: the way PS3 gamers are treated by bethesda, we do feel like 3rd rank customers.(no real answers to any of our questions about anyting PS3 related)
3: Always getting things last and most of the time mutch later, and if/when we get it does not feel like a finnished project(way to buggy).

i think if i put my mind to it i can think of more reasons but i think these 3 are enough to give a discount on any DLC/GAME they release on the PS3 in the future.
they should hire some programmers that are able to program for the PS3, because playing bethesda games on the PS3 is like ordering chinise at the McDonalds.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:54 am

Seriously. Stop this nonsense now!

1. Bethesda will give us a discount WHEN THEY DECIDE to give a discount. So stop fanning the flame.
2. Be happy that Dawnguard is not announced as "Cancelled" in the PS3 platform.
3. Be happy that the patch came out for our consoles. Isn't that a start?
4. Be patient. You will have more things in life to be unpatient about like not getting your tax refund on time or waiting for your pet ball python to swallow that mouse.
5. Same as Number 1.

I am a PS3 user and complaining much isn't helping Bethesda either.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:32 pm

These guys are not going to be happy, ever. Trust me. We got the patch, which, to me, is awesome. Mounted combat, a few new things here and there, and overall the game feels a little better. But does anyone care? No. And when Dawnguard does come out the crying wont stop. Maybe for a split second but it will soon be, "my game is broke now!", "Zomg there was a giant walking backwards! *RAGE*", "they owe us a refund!", "They owe us an apology!", "how DARE they release such a buggy product!", What have they been doing this whole time they said they were working on PS3 DG?!", "they lied to us!", and of course, "im never buying another Beth product againeverfortherestofmylife!!!!!".

You'll see.... You'll see....

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:58 am

I really don't see why we need a discount.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:56 pm

To be honest, I'm just here until Bethesda releases Dawnguard for PS3. I made some posts in january, with some questions about the game and didn't log in anymore until last month, mainly due to Dawnguard and patches "issues" on PS3.
Since then I've been happily playing Skyrim without ever complaining about bugs, be it game breaking or minor.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:46 pm

These guys are not going to be happy, ever. Trust me. We got the patch, which, to me, is awesome. Mounted combat, a few new things here and there, and overall the game feels a little better. But does anyone care? No. And when Dawnguard does come out the crying wont stop. Maybe for a split second but it will soon be, "my game is broke now!", "Zomg there was a giant walking backwards! *RAGE*", "they owe us a refund!", "They owe us an apology!", "how DARE they release such a buggy product!", What have they been doing this whole time they said they were working on PS3 DG?!", "they lied to us!", and of course, "im never buying another Beth product againeverfortherestofmylife!!!!!". You'll see.... You'll see....

its true that most people wont shut up no matter what bethesda does(exept when they somehow manage to make a completele bug free game). but its not that for me i never complained about any buggs in my PS3 version on skyrim because they where just not that bad, yes you did get lag if you play over 10 hours in a row when skyrim was just released but rebouting skyrim resolved the problem and its the only bug i had on the PS3 that issnt also in the Xbox360/PC vresions of skyrim. and with the updates(1.5) i think the PS3 version might even work better than the Xbox/pc version.
so thats not why i complain it because its always the PS3 that gets all the content for any of bethesda Games last or not at all and even when we get them last its also buggyer than the other versions.
i feel like a 3rd rank customer just because i buyed the game for my PS3, its nothing less than discrimination and thats my reason for complaining now.
And you dont have to buy it to play it. there are alternatives. i have friends that will buy it anyway, So i can play it without buying it

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:18 am

sorry to have upset you.
1: i just wanted to point out to some people that there are some really good reasons to give PS3 players a discount
2: it doesnt matter if they cancel it for the PS3 i have a PC that can run skyrim and i also have a XBOX360 its just that i already have it on the PS3, so i wont be BUYING a new coppy(if you know what i mean).
3: yes that is a step in the right direction.
4: probably true.
5: saying "Bethesda will give us a discount WHEN THEY DECIDE to give a discount" will not make the reasons to give a discount less valid.

There are still no reasons for a discount to be given.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:04 pm

There are still no reasons for a discount to be given.

here are a couple

I think you are right, the delay itself is no reason for d discount but there are 3 reasons to do give a discount

1: if what people are saying is true and its mutch buggyer as the PC/xbox versions.
2: the way PS3 gamers are treated by bethesda, we do feel like 3rd rank customers.(no real answers to any of our questions about anyting PS3 related)
3: Always getting things last and most of the time mutch later, and if/when we get it does not feel like a finnished project(way to buggy).

i think if i put my mind to it i can think of more reasons but i think these 3 are enough to give a discount on any DLC/GAME they release on the PS3 in the future.
they should hire some programmers that are able to program for the PS3, because playing bethesda games on the PS3 is like ordering chinise at the McDonalds.

i myself dont really care about any discount, i wont buy it on the first day anyway for 2 reasons i dont have the money and i whant to know how buggy it is on the PS3 before buying it
And im probably going to wait until its really cheap or free in the PSstore, i dont like to give a company like bethesda to mutch for to little.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:27 am

here are a couple
i myself dont really care about any discount, i wont buy it on the first day anyway for 2 reasons i dont have the money and i whant to know how buggy it is on the PS3 before buying it
And im probably going to wait until its really cheap or free in the PSstore, i dont like to give a company like bethesda to mutch for to little.

They're still not good enough reasons to get a discount.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:04 pm

They're still not good enough reasons to get a discount.

you must be a pc or xbox player... anyways what would be a good reason to get a discount IYP

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:48 pm

you must be a pc or xbox player... anyways what would be a good reason to get a discount IYP

I am a PC player, which means I got Dawnguard later too. Was I pissed? Sure I was.

But being annoyed is different for warranting unfounded reasons for a discount.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:36 pm

Actually, if beth came out and said six months on July 26th, I would have been ok with that. Not happy. But not upset. It is just a game after all. But being kept in the dark, seeing other people getting to play it, and then being told "oh we svck at programming on the PS3 so your version is not coming out yet and we have no information on when it might" is poor business practice.

That's complete nonsense and you know it. If Bethesda said the DLC won't release for another 6 months the PS3 users will spontaneously combust. Just look at all the outrage, chaos and nonstop complaint threads due to the 30 day exclusive deal. People were in a full uproar even when they thought they only had to wait 30 days. There's no way in hell you can tell me that if Bethesda came out and said it's going to be another six months that you or anyone else "would have been ok with that".

You even say yourself that "it is just a game afterall". That's exactly correct, it's a game, an entertainment product. Bethesda doesn't owe you or anyone else anything. It's their product and they can choose to do with it what they will. All of this falls under basic business 101. They wouldn't even have to release it on the PS3 if they didn't want to. It's their overall decision.

If you say that you would be ok with them delaying it another six months then why do you deserve a discount when others don't? That doesn't make any sense.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:22 pm

If DG is less buggy on the PS3 version than any other version when it is released then that is our compensation.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:16 pm

I am a PC player, which means I got Dawnguard later too. Was I pissed? Sure I was.

But being annoyed is different for warranting unfounded reasons for a discount.

the reason that people are want a discount is not for the dlc being late (though that has something to do with it) its becaus we ps3 players have not been treated the same at xbox and pc players... we always get the dlc late or in oblivion's case dont get some at all...and its also to do with the ps3's data glitch...

that alone is warranted to get some thing free maybe... maybe not but something....

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:24 am

No. I am saying that the metaphorical dish (Dawnguard) is overdue because their cook tried to make my dish but screwed it up so bad that it tasted awful. (programming inability on the part of Beth) Then instead of coming out and saying "We are so very sorry, your dish should be ready in 20 minutes" they said "The dish you ordered from us hasn't been prepared to our standards and we can't give it to you until it is"

My response "When will that be?"

Beth "we don't know"

That is poor business practice.

Oh and I'm not saying near $5 discount, even dropping it to $17.99 or like the other guy said, a free avatar or PS3 theme or something... ANYTHING. FIGHT FOR MY BUSINESS BETH!

Drop the restaurant comparison. It's completely irrelevant to this particular subject. When you go to buy a meal you head to a specific venue and expect the meal to be brought to you within 20 minutes. The anology does not work here.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:13 pm

the reason that people are want a discount is not for the dlc being late (though that has something to do with it) its becaus we ps3 players have not been treated the same at xbox and pc players... we always get the dlc late or in oblivion's case dont get some at all...and its also to do with the ps3's data glitch...

that alone is warranted to get some thing free maybe... maybe not but something....

Yes, but why does Bethesda even owe you DLC? It's completely up to them on what they want to do with their product and whom they want to offer it to. Bethesda doesn't even have to release Dawnguard on PS3 if they didn't want to. They wouldn't even have to make it available to Xbox users. It's their product and with that comes the option to make it available to whom you so choose.

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» Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:01 pm

Yes, but why does Bethesda even owe you DLC? It's completely up to them on what they want to do with their product and whom they want to offer it to. Bethesda doesn't even have to release Dawnguard on PS3 if they didn't want to. They wouldn't even have to make it available to Xbox users. It's their product and with that comes the option to make it available to whom you so choose.

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if they were to do that then ps3 users might burn down the house... i for one just don't care but that very well might happen that ps3 users don't get DG.... nothing is set in stone... anything could happen.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:22 am

Yes, but why does Bethesda even owe you DLC? It's completely up to them on what they want to do with their product and whom they want to offer it to. Bethesda doesn't even have to release Dawnguard on PS3 if they didn't want to. They wouldn't even have to make it available to Xbox users. It's their product and with that comes the option to make it available to whom you so choose.

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They don't owe it but taking money from said company and only releasing it for said systems which Xbox and PC are both MIcrosoft would look really bad after all this don't you think?