[vicki kitterman]

It is so we can keep all the discussion to one thread and save a multitude of separate ones being made. As an aside, these threads are used by the same few people, the number of threads made so far is not indicative of the amount of dissatisfaction, they are a place for the vocal few to hang out.

Yeah a majority of comments are made by the same people making the bulk of each thread, but typically there are a decent amount of people who make 1 comment to express dissatisfaction and never come back.

On a side note, I'm surprised you guys didn't shut this thread down, simply because it happened last time someone made the next page on their own.

[Nauty]

It is so we can keep all the discussion to one thread and save a multitude of separate ones being made. As an aside, these threads are used by the same few people, the number of threads made so far is not indicative of the amount of dissatisfaction, they are a place for the vocal few to hang out.

Most people have probably resigned themselves to the fact that Bethesda may not be competent enough to get Dawnguard working of the ps3. I doubt most ps3 players are satisfied with this whole situation.

[Lexy Corpsey]

Thread 18 had 8 members making half the posts and this has happened in a similar way through most of the previous threads. Don't get me wrong, I do sympathise with the lack of release of DG for the PS3, it would be nice if the users of that console could also enjoy, what I found to be, an excellent DLC, all I was pointing out was that because there was 20 threads of 200+ posts it does not reflect that number of unhappy members.

Yes but how many total over those 20 threads. How many new IP views? How many countless more that don't come to this site to post. While I agree that just because there are 20 threads you can't assume there are a high number of angry fans... you also can't assume there are a low number of angry fans based solely on the stats for how many posters per thread. It is a fallacy to assume either way. There are too many variables.

[Ricky Meehan]

Thread 18 had 8 members making half the posts and this has happened in a similar way through most of the previous threads. Don't get me wrong, I do sympathise with the lack of release of DG for the PS3, it would be nice if the users of that console could also enjoy, what I found to be, an excellent DLC, all I was pointing out was that because there was 20 threads of 200+ posts it does not reflect that number of unhappy members.

i agree & youre right. but thats becuase A: not alot of ps3 users know about this forums. or B: they do know about this forums & don't think it worth there time creating a account. or C: they have accounts but they have givin up or took a break from this thread for a little bit. thats the way i see it. but as always i could be wrong.

[(G-yen)]

On a side note, I'm surprised you guys didn't shut this thread down, simply because it happened last time someone made the next page on their own.

Why, the topic was correctly opened with quotes from a moderator from the previous thread, that's fine.

There are too many variables.

........... on both sides. Agreed. However guys, let's not go discussing how many upset fans there are, let's stick with hoping that BGS will solve the PS3 problems and release it and that we get some further (good) news soon.

[Jade MacSpade]

It is so we can keep all the discussion to one thread and save a multitude of separate ones being made. As an aside, these threads are used by the same few people, the number of threads made so far is not indicative of the amount of dissatisfaction, they are a place for the vocal few to hang out.

In other words, they want those that want to vocalize their dissatisfaction to keep their voices down to a whisper

[A Boy called Marilyn]

well back on topic. the ps3 update didn't, i repeat didn't unlock the dawnguard trophies because it was a system update. the data you can save as a ps plus member was change from like 150 MB to 1025 MB.
question do you think when they get it working they will annouce it at a con or just a normal annoucement on there site?
i think just a normal annoucement.

[LuCY sCoTT]

Why, the topic was correctly opened with quotes from a moderator from the previous thread, that's fine.

haha it's just it happened before. A mod wasn't too happy that someone opened a thread before they did and closed it and asked that we keep it to the mods instead so, I figured that it wasn't something we were to do lol.

[(G-yen)]

Thread 18 had 8 members making half the posts and this has happened in a similar way through most of the previous threads. Don't get me wrong, I do sympathise with the lack of release of DG for the PS3, it would be nice if the users of that console could also enjoy, what I found to be, an excellent DLC, all I was pointing out was that because there was 20 threads of 200+ posts it does not reflect that number of unhappy members.

Just to comment, this isn't the only forum that PS3 users are explaining their dissatisfaction. PSN Forums, IGN Forums, Gamestop Forums, CCC, and many more are all filled with tens of thousands of people that just are not happy with the product. Those that choose their forum do so for whatever personal reason. I choose the one here because it's Bethesda's site, so it has the most "officiality".

[Mr. Allen]

The majority of gamers are not active on forums, i have like 7 friends that's pissed on Betheseda..

[Charlotte Buckley]

The majority of gamers are not active on forums, i have like 7 friends that's pissed on Betheseda..

Well, they do say that for every 1 who voices their opinion there are many many who follow in that thought.
So 1 could equal much more than 7 lol.


But anywho I believe the mod asked that we evade talking about dissatisfaction of others who are not ourselves. Least I think they did... I dunno I don't wanna reread the last page lol

[James Baldwin]

haha it's just it happened before. A mod wasn't too happy that someone opened a thread before they did and closed it and asked that we keep it to the mods instead so, I figured that it wasn't something we were to do lol.

Ah well, I missed that, but the only threads that definitely require a mod/admin are those marked "Official" otherwise, as far as I am concerned*, as long as the OP has the necessary advice from a mod in it there should be no problems.

*Unless I am feeling grumpy or need to add to my post count ................ although the second one is not really important.

[James Wilson]

All I am asking for is a little news regarding this, I check for updates every couple of days and it seems that everyone just puts out the same re-hashed news articles. I want dawnguard but im passed the point of being mad that it isn't here yet, im just dissapointed because we were promised something, and that promise has yet to be fullfilled. Until we as a community get our Dawnguard I will continue to be a Sad Panda.

[мistrєss]

Just to comment, this isn't the only forum that PS3 users are explaining their dissatisfaction. PSN Forums, IGN Forums, Gamestop Forums, CCC, and many more are all filled with tens of thousands of people that just are not happy with the product. Those that choose their forum do so for whatever personal reason. I choose the one here because it's Bethesda's site, so it has the most "officiality".

Add Facebook and Twitter to the channels of venting for frustrated and angry PS3 users and it's clear there are more than a "Few", just ask Pete Hines.

[jodie]

Yeah a majority of comments are made by the same people making the bulk of each thread, but typically there are a decent amount of people who make 1 comment to express dissatisfaction and never come back.

On a side note, I'm surprised you guys didn't shut this thread down, simply because it happened last time someone made the next page on their own.

This.

I came on here 8 threads ago, said my piece, left, and haven't posted since. My feelings haven't changed. I'm still extremely disappointed in Bethesda, a company I've gladly handed my money to for over a decade. My confidence in their ability to produce quality games remains shaken, if not destroyed. I'd not be surprised if there's at least 10 people or more fuming over this situation on another social forum (IGN, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) or off the web for every one that posts here. Those on this forum represent a small percentage of irrate Beth fans, guaranteed.

[Mark Churchman]

It is so we can keep all the discussion to one thread and save a multitude of separate ones being made. As an aside, these threads are used by the same few people, the number of threads made so far is not indicative of the amount of dissatisfaction, they are a place for the vocal few to hang out.

Thread 18 had 8 members making half the posts and this has happened in a similar way through most of the previous threads. Don't get me wrong, I do sympathise with the lack of release of DG for the PS3, it would be nice if the users of that console could also enjoy, what I found to be, an excellent DLC, all I was pointing out was that because there was 20 threads of 200+ posts it does not reflect that number of unhappy members.

According to studies done by the Technical Assistance Research Programs (TARP), for every irritated

customer who complains, 26 do not, even though they have grievances. That means that if a company

receives 10 customer complaints, there are probably 260 customers out there who have complaints but

don’t voice them…at least not to the company. The reality is you probably don’t know how many

dissatisfied customers you have because DISSATISFIED CUSTOMERS DO NOT COMPLAIN.

Well, you might say, if they don’t complain they can’t be all that dissatisfied. A dangerous assumption to

make! Non-complaining customers who are unhappy with your product and/or service are probably

frustrated with the situation and mad at themselves for not saying anything. They are least likely to buy

from your company again and they are most likely to tell someone else about their negative experience

with your company. On the average, a customer who has had an unpleasant experience with a business

will tell 9 or 10 other people and about 13% will tell more than 20 other people. This negative word-ofmouth

can be more dangerous to your business than any catastrophe Mother Nature could dish out!

But wait…can’t these customers just be replaced? Yes they can…however, it will cost you! Market data

indicates that is usually costs FIVE TIMES as much to get a new customer as it does to keep an existing

one.

[Sammie LM]

Ah well, I missed that, but the only threads that definitely require a mod/admin are those marked "Official" otherwise, as far as I am concerned*, as long as the OP has the necessary advice from a mod in it there should be no problems.

*Unless I am feeling grumpy or need to add to my post count ................ although the second one is not really important.

Just wanted to say I was not aware of that incident in the past, and the reason why I did was that I noticed the thread had hit 200 posts, and instead of "losing" any conversation in progress I just took the initiative and created the next thread while #19 was still open. If I made anyone upset, I meant no harm. Just felt like I was doing everybody a favor, both mods and users. I'm not a mod, I don't think of myself as one, nor do I feel I'm above anybody else. I just like to help out where I see an opportunity, a simple gesture of good will with the only expectation that if you accept a gesture of goodwill that sometime during the day you forward one of your own to someone else and I prefer it be someone else.

[Yvonne]

It is so we can keep all the discussion to one thread and save a multitude of separate ones being made. As an aside, these threads are used by the same few people, the number of threads made so far is not indicative of the amount of dissatisfaction, they are a place for the vocal few to hang out.

This is to be honest just plain wrong. It's like saying "Only one million people share their hate online when talking about Justin Bieber, so that's the totall number". We all know more people hate him, lastly not everyone shares their anger, some keep it for themselves. Others don't use the internet. And others are afraid to get banned or sued or whatever.

Skyrim sold more than 3.4 million copies of the game. At least a million will be playing on the PS3. I personally think more than 8 out of 10 people are really angry. But your right I don't see 800.000 people complaining here on this specific forum so that can't be right.....(sarcasm).

[sally coker]

This.

I came on here 8 threads ago, said my piece, left, and haven't posted since. My feelings haven't changed. I'm still extremely disappointed in Bethesda, a company I've gladly handed my money to for over a decade. My confidence in their ability to produce quality games remains shaken, if not destroyed. I'd not be surprised if there's at least 10 people or more fuming over this situation on another social forum (IGN, Facebook, Twitter, etc.) or off the web for every one that posts here. Those on this forum represent a small percentage of irrate Beth fans, guaranteed.

I like to make my points here and nowhere else. I like this thread the most. People here are much more mature about the subject. I'm always getting trolled by XBOX and PC gamers elsewhere. Says my PS3 is inferior and should get a 360/PC. I don't see the point in buying another system just for one game. I love my PS3. Had it since 2007. It only ever have problems with Bethesda games and no other. So it is obviously not my PS3 at fault here.

[Stacyia]

Firstly, I have never said people can't complain, nor have I said that there is no dissatisfaction amongst the PS3 user base, and secondly although I am a moderator I am also allowed to post my own thoughts on this. Thirdly it is not "my company as you seem to imply, I am only a moderator when it comes to maintaining the forums, otherwise I am also a member. Finally as you have to resort to shouting (which using large fonts or capitals in an internet post indicates) it doesn't make for constructive conversation, does it?

If I made anyone upset, I meant no harm.

I have said - no problems.

[Leticia Hernandez]

I'm a little iffy about the whole thing I've tried to talk to Pete Hines on twitter about the whole dawnguard situation and even asked if he could let us know if we would have a problem or even get heartfire and he continuelly ignored me your best bet of you even want a [censored] answer is to try and contact him on twitter for the most part he does the same thing as gstaff and just kinda leaves it in the air he did say it was a save game problem and that not all people would have problems like not everyone had problems with skyrim itself when it was released bugged but they don't want to release it at all until it works for everyone aparently even though they did it will the game itself

[Jade]

According to studies done by the Technical Assistance Research Programs (TARP), for every irritated
customer who complains, 26 do not, even though they have grievances. That means that if a company
receives 10 customer complaints, there are probably 260 customers out there who have complaints but
don’t voice them…at least not to the company. The reality is you probably don’t know how many
dissatisfied customers you have because DISSATISFIED CUSTOMERS DO NOT COMPLAIN.
Well, you might say, if they don’t complain they can’t be all that dissatisfied. A dangerous assumption to
make! Non-complaining customers who are unhappy with your product and/or service are probably
frustrated with the situation and mad at themselves for not saying anything. They are least likely to buy
from your company again and they are most likely to tell someone else about their negative experience
with your company. On the average, a customer who has had an unpleasant experience with a business
will tell 9 or 10 other people and about 13% will tell more than 20 other people. This negative word-ofmouth
can be more dangerous to your business than any catastrophe Mother Nature could dish out!
But wait…can’t these customers just be replaced? Yes they can…however, it will cost you! Market data
indicates that is usually costs FIVE TIMES as much to get a new customer as it does to keep an existing
one.

I guess those are the numbers I was looking for

I just knew that theres some statistic on how many do not voice versus the amount who do voice.

Honestly this situation was the first I EVER felt I had to voice anything. I had never had so many problems with one game, nor have I ever had so much silence when it was believed a release date was near, nor have I ever felt that so many bad business decisions were made from a gaming company lol.

They have grabbed a lot of attention for this situation. It seems minor but, the actions have grabbed a lot of eyes.

Just wanted to say I was not aware of that incident in the past, and the reason why I did was that I noticed the thread had hit 200 posts, and instead of "losing" any conversation in progress I just took the initiative and created the next thread while #19 was still open. If I made anyone upset, I meant no harm. Just felt like I was doing everybody a favor, both mods and users. I'm not a mod, I don't think of myself as one, nor do I feel I'm above anybody else. I just like to help out where I see an opportunity, a simple gesture of good will with the only expectation that if you accept a gesture of goodwill that sometime during the day you forward one of your own to someone else and I prefer it be someone else.

Well if the mod doesn't care then all is fine lol.

Storm, or little optimist on the forums, had done the same thing for the same reason. Just doing a favor to the mods, he got scolded for it lol.

But if the mod watching over us currently has no problem with it, then really there is no problem. No reason to worry.






On a side note, after my while of being here, I've just realzied that I have seen no horrible spelling done on purpose.

You know like how people like to type like th1s nd say weerd stuf 2 6rab attention

Dang I can't even do it lol. Takes too much thought. Just thought I'd throw it out there that I have not seen the above and am glad about it.

[Lauren Dale]

hello normally i only read the post on this side(because my englisch is [censored]^^)
but i fell betrayed from bethesda too
said this only that the moderators know that there are a fee people more
i even see it on german tv for a few days

[Kahli St Dennis]

This is to be honest just plain wrong. It's like saying "Only one million people share their hate online when talking about Justin Bieber, so that's the totall number". We all know more people hate him,

wtf? i thought everybody <3 justin?????

Getting an inferior and crappy product , being fed lies and platitudes while not getting the support others got, followed by getting complete and utter lack of respect shown by Bethesda I can handle...

...but this..

i'm...

crushed now.

wtf am I supposed to do about this http://punchbowlblog.com/2011/01/10/justin-bieber-fan-gets-huge-tattoo-of-biebers-face/

[Manuel rivera]

I hope that one day that Microsoft will stop paying company's to put content out exclusively. Honestly If I got a large lumpsum of money to release one console DLC before the other I would at least start work on all the consoles rather than waiting till after the agreements up. If they had been working on the PS3 version since before the 360 release could they not have told us the complications sooner? Are PS3 fans getting ported content? Seems like it to me, but one does not simply copy paste dawngaurd as they have discovered. I'm just saying if it would have been developed for all the consoles like a true third party title, maybe they would not have so many problems. I'm still holding on Bethesda, but I'm not sure If I can wait 6 months for one DLC like I did back in the Fallout 3 days.