[Dorian Cozens]

wtf? i thought everybody <3 justin?????

Getting an inferior and crappy product , being fed lies and platitudes while not getting the support others got, followed by getting complete and utter lack of respect shown by Bethesda I can handle...

...but this..

i'm...

crushed now.

wtf am I supposed to do about this http://punchbowlblog.com/2011/01/10/justin-bieber-fan-gets-huge-tattoo-of-biebers-face/

You know, I think with a little work, that could be changed to look like Pete Hines!

[Jhenna lee Lizama]

I like to make my points here and nowhere else. I like this thread the most. People here are much more mature about the subject. I'm always getting trolled by XBOX and PC gamers elsewhere. Says my PS3 is inferior and should get a 360/PC. I don't see the point in buying another system just for one game. I love my PS3. Had it since 2007. It only ever have problems with Bethesda games and no other. So it is obviously not my PS3 at fault here.

As a 360 I won't troll you and your PS3 is just fine. Don't replace the game system your happy with it's waste of money to buy something you may not enjoy as much.

[Nymph]

As a 360 I won't troll you and your PS3 is just fine. Don't replace the game system your happy with it's waste of money to buy something you may not enjoy as much.

Heh that's appreciated, so much of just the opposite.

But most the 360 and PC people who come here are more sympathetic typically than trolling.


But if there is ever a trolling site to go, just head to youtube!!!

[Trish]

Personally I think it is outrageous to hear that a dlc will never come out for PS3

If ur having issues with the dlc... Refine it......

Instead of throwing everything in that they want too... Only put in what should have been in the game already.

I believe the whole vampire thing and crossbows are probably their biggest headaches right now and possibly the quests too..... Instead of all of that.... Sort of make entirely different dlc for ps3.
Example:

Things that should already be apart of the game...
Dragon weapons...

Additional stuff that possibly should have already been apart of game...
Personal Dragon Mount (possibly fight with it as well as it fights by ur side till u dismiss it or dies)
- also to go with that, be able to choose type of dragon and name it and possibly customization)
Adoptions
Buy land for house... But in doing so just plant an already made house....
More places for your spouse to live with you...
More armors...light armors I feel more cause I don't feel theirs as cool looking armors for light...

Just take bits and pieces of the ideas you have or from the DLCs already out and make it a slightly different dlc for ps3
And add maybe one of two small things other platforms can't get just cause otherwise it would feel to ps3 users that your neglecting them....
Also with just this first release... Should make it free to ps3 just to apologize in a way....

Also I would suggest to not throw anymore dlc content out for a while to any other platform until this ps3 issue has been resolved... Cause honestly when I saw that Xbox had gotten their second dlc before ps3 even got one... Felt like a slap in the face and felt disrespected and felt u kind of we're saying f@&$ you to ps3..... And then started seeing stuff about thoughts on third... And that put a real bad taste in my mouth since it felt like Bethesda was selling out to Xbox..... That's all that had gone through
My head earlier..... Cause that's how I understood what was happening and how it made me feel at the time....

A dlc should be released to ps3, and if all that can happen is the weapons... Than I'll take that.... Over nothing..

Hope my ideas and suggestions are heard.... Tried to be as pleasant as I could cause I am one of the few quite frusterated about this issue... To the point where I don't even want to play the game anymore since the stuff i want... I cant get and makes the game unplayable for me... which makes me sad cause it's my favorite game... Trying to hold out as long as I can...

The last thing I can say... Is about whatever new elder scrolls game is coming out... Which I hope is Elsweyr cause the khajiit are my favorite and would love to play in their homeland... But if this stuff for the sony systems happens just like now... I will be unable to continue supporting Bethesda

[Marlo Stanfield]

Honesty I don't care much about the DLC even if it never comes to PS3. Ubi doesn't give Xbox certian content that PS3 only gets so I can't hold Beth there to. But what I do care about is that a mutl-paltforum Dev like Ubi can get Xbox and PC DLC after Sony exculsive timed DLC deals which last around a week whereas Beth can't even do that in a month.

[teeny]

What the PS3 needs from Beth is not DLC but some TLC and lots of it

[Laura Shipley]

I finally finished building my gaming PC the other day, I built it myself and saved myself the equivalent of $600 (still spent the equivalent of $1000 though) and I can finally play DG (I didn't get a PC just to play DG of course). Now not everyone is lucky enough to be in a position to be able to spend that kind of money and quite frankly shouldn't have to move to another console, namely the 360, or a PC to play a game/DLC that other platforms can.
I previously had Skyrim for the PS3 and I was one of those unlucky people to have every bug going, including game crippling lag.
I had Fallout 3 and the same game crippling lag there and the very late DLC issues too.
What particulary irritates me is that somehow Sony/PS3 is in danger of coming out of this worst than Bethesda due to PS3 being hard to develop for and the suggestion that bugs on the PS3 version are to blame etc etc. Bethesdas incompetance at developing for PS3 is quite frankly pathetic. Yes it's hard to develop for but what about all the other developers who can manage to produce working games, the console has been out for what, 6 years is it, yet Bethesda still produce buggy mess for it. To blame Sony is so very harsh when Bethesda can't do what all other game devs can.
I will be so disgusted with Bethesda if they cancel the PS3 version of DG and even though I'm now on PC on sheer principle I won't be buying another Bethesda game (and to those who say I won't stick to that I point out that PC has far more RPG games on it than consoles do and there's plenty to keep me happy)
I truly hope you PS3 owners get the DG you deserve, good luck guys.

[Nicole Coucopoulos]

Here's a "What If?" Side Topic:

If Dawnguard never makes it to the PS3 platform (Don't get me wrong, I'm REALLY hoping it does and SOON).

But if it doesn't what are the top 5 features you would want imported from it in a Patch or a "Free" DLC or in a special bundle with the PS3 port of the Hearthfire DLC?

Here's my "Top 5" list:

• Dragon Bone Crafted Weapons
  
• Crossbows/Bolts
  
• Arrow (and Bolt) Crafting Thanks to Spiritreaver for the suggestion!
  
• The "Face Sculptor" in the Ragged Flagon to change your appearance
  
• "Upgraded" Werewolf Skill Tree
  
• Expanded Alchemy System/Ingredients

I of course would like the "Vampire Lord" skill tree as well and all the other DLC specific items and gear, but it would be sort of out of place without the accompanying "Dawnguard/Vampire" quest line.

[Motionsharp]

I finally finished building my gaming PC the other day, I built it myself and saved myself the equivalent of $600 (still spent the equivalent of $1000 though) and I can finally play DG (I didn't get a PC just to play DG of course). Now not everyone is lucky enough to be in a position to be able to spend that kind of money and quite frankly shouldn't have to move to another console, namely the 360, or a PC to play a game/DLC that other platforms can.
I previously had Skyrim for the PS3 and I was one of those unlucky people to have every bug going, including game crippling lag.
I had Fallout 3 and the same game crippling lag there and the very late DLC issues too.
What particulary irritates me is that somehow Sony/PS3 is in danger of coming out of this worst than Bethesda due to PS3 being hard to develop for and the suggestion that bugs on the PS3 version are to blame etc etc. Bethesdas incompetance at developing for PS3 is quite frankly pathetic. Yes it's hard to develop for but what about all the other developers who can manage to produce working games, the console has been out for what, 6 years is it, yet Bethesda still produce buggy mess for it. To blame Sony is so very harsh when Bethesda can't do what all other game devs can.
I will be so disgusted with Bethesda if they cancel the PS3 version of DG and even though I'm now on PC on sheer principle I won't be buying another Bethesda game (and to those who say I won't stick to that I point out that PC has far more RPG games on it than consoles do and there's plenty to keep me happy)
I truly hope you PS3 owners get the DG you deserve, good luck guys.

I am truly jealous of you my friend! Please enjoy DG, the upcoming PC release for Hearthfire and all the Skyrim mods on our behalf, on your new gaming rig!!!

[SiLa]

Here's a "What If?" Side Topic:

If Dawnguard never makes it to the PS3 platform (Don't get me wrong, I'm REALLY hoping it does and SOON).

But if it doesn't what are the top 5 features you would want imported from it in a Patch or a "Free" DLC or in a special bundle with the PS3 port of the Hearthfire DLC?

Here's my "Top 5" list:

• Dragon Bone Crafted Weapons
  
• Crossbows/Bolts
  
• The "Face Sculptor" in the Ragged Flagon to change your appearance
  
• "Upgraded" Werewolf Skill Tree
  
• Expanded Alchemy System/Ingredients

I of course would like the "Vampire Lord" skill tree as well and all the other DLC specific items and gear, but it would be sort of out of place without the accompanying "Dawnguard/Vampire" quest line.

For me, pretty much your list to a tee. Only change would be i'd add crafting ammo in at #2 and drop the alchemy.

[Cameron Wood]

For me, pretty much your list to a tee. Only change would be i'd add crafting ammo in at #2 and drop the alchemy.

I forgot about the Arrow/Bolt Crafting! With that in mind I'd keep Crossbows at #2 and put arrow/bolt crafting at #3! Thanks!

[Shianne Donato]

Thread 18 had 8 members making half the posts and this has happened in a similar way through most of the previous threads. Don't get me wrong, I do sympathise with the lack of release of DG for the PS3, it would be nice if the users of that console could also enjoy, what I found to be, an excellent DLC, all I was pointing out was that because there was 20 threads of 200+ posts it does not reflect that number of unhappy members.

I have registered just to reply to this message, as it is a total fallacy. The fact you've had 200+ comments in 20 threads does show there are significant problems with how Bethesda has handled DG on the PS3 and the ill feeling within the community. If there wasn't a problem then people would not feel there is a need to make such a long thread in the first place. I feel this comment is very belittling to those peoples concerns and complaints. I also dont see such problems on other developers message boards.

Remeber this is a thread soley regarding dawnguard, and that is an awful lot of pepople who have taken the time to log on to their computer, register at your site and leave a message. For each person who goes through all this effort (cause you know i'm lazy) to register their dissapointment there are another 5 who don't bother to go through the effort. I know as I was one of them till today.

If you wanna go counting unhappy PS3 users (like their some sort of commodity) then you should also count the number of people who complained about the game crippling lag which was experienced. I think thats the thing that gets me most, Bethesda knowingly sold a game that did not work. If I didn't have an internet connection then I would not be able to play this game. Thats pretty terrible and, in my eyes atleast, criminal.

I think its time Bethesda just got honest with the PS3 users. They should acknowledge their mistakes in a statement and if people want it then refunds should be offered. Like I said, if I didn't have an internet connection I would not be able to play this game fully.

I really hope you sort this all out as you seem pretty good at making games, but, for what its worth (which I guess is not much) I will never buy another Bethesda product. Please make sure you add +1 to your little list of unhappy PS3 users.

[Nuno Castro]

Firstly, I have never said people can't complain, nor have I said that there is no dissatisfaction amongst the PS3 user base, and secondly although I am a moderator I am also allowed to post my own thoughts on this. Thirdly it is not "my company as you seem to imply, I am only a moderator when it comes to maintaining the forums, otherwise I am also a member. Finally as you have to resort to shouting (which using large fonts or capitals in an internet post indicates) it doesn't make for constructive conversation, does it?

Ro. That wasn't really directed at you personally so I am sorry if you took it that way. I realize you are a moderator for the forums and can not effect the course of the DLC. As an aside the font was fixed. I just thought it too small before

[ShOrty]

ah this has gone on for too long, luckily borderlands 2 is coming out soon.

[Dark Mogul]

I intend to be speaking at Bethesda.(yes at I don't care what they have to say in return unless they give us what we want) I am trying to reach out and change how we PS3 users have been treated in the past months by Bethesda.

The only news for PS3 users been comments one would expect from a politician. The truth is hidden with ambiguous statements that avoid the brass tacks. What is going to happen? Will it launch eventually or never, decide so we can stop waiting for a verdict.

If there is a major problem then throw more resources at it.

PS3 owners have been shot and are left bleeding out in the dirt. Bethesda, don’t leave us behind. It isn't right. It is just plain bad practice to leave an entire console behind while you march on with new content for other platforms. After this awful situation I am not sure I will be buying any more of your games for the PS3 because of the errors that will obviously be present, in fact I wouldn’t trust any of your games for any platform in the future to run properly.

Skyrim was flawed from the very start and you Bethesda never took the time to fix it properly so now you are paying for it. If I paid for a product that had a major flaw; I would expect a manufacturer to refund my money however that is totally different for videogames for some reason. If I bring it back because I am displeased with it and it is not working I am to blame. If it comes down to it I think Bethesda should have a recall of all of the Skyrim copies for PS3 and we can have our money refunded. I would much rather however see this potentially great game brought back to life. The only way to do that is to fix it. I don’t care if that means you need to rebuild it from the ground up, that’s your problem.

Until you Bethesda make an official statement and own up to your mistakes then either try to fix the game or abandon it; I don't really care either way; I will be sure to spread the word and actively protest the sales of your products in the future if you make the decision to ignore this uproar from fans. Keep in mind this is Bethesda's problem. If Sony comes out with any kind of apology for the delay before Bethesda I will cry my eyes out and lose all respect for this once great company. I am also sad to say my view of Bethesda is and always will be as a mediocre company from now on.

In light of what I have said I believe we deserve to see more frequent updates on the progress almost daily not weeks apart. Unless of course you throw in the towel and loose thousands of future customers because of your poor performance.

[Mari martnez Martinez]

Today I decided to play some Bethesda DLC, so I visiting the Shivering Isles.

Then I proceeded to try to experiment to remove my own soul from my character's body. The easy part was getting the soul out; the hard part was getting the soul out! CACKLE!

[Victor Oropeza]

Today I decided to play some Bethesda DLC, so I visiting the Shivering Isles.

Then I proceeded to try to experiment to remove my own soul from my character's body. The easy part was getting the soul out; the hard part was getting the soul out! CACKLE!

You know its been brought up no doubt, but your post has got me wondering why Bethesda didn't go the Shivering Isles route with Dawnguard.

I mean if they had say made all of the DG action happen in its own 'cell', wouldn't that have eased up on the strain on their engine across all platforms? A totally separate small world that had little/no interaction with Skyrim as a whole?

I'm more a hardware guy, but i wonder if that solution is feasible?

[Floor Punch]

I mean if they had say made all of the DG action happen in its own 'cell', wouldn't that have eased up on the strain on their engine across all platforms? A totally separate small world that had little/no interaction with Skyrim as a whole?

Almost all the Fallout DLC happened in a totally separate small world and it didn't ease up the rest of the game.

[Jaki Birch]

Almost all the Fallout DLC happened in a totally separate small world and it didn't ease up the rest of the game.

Which is kinda why i was wondering why Bethesda didn't, you know, go the Shivering Isles route.

Whatever is going on behinds the scenes in that additional content, or however it was developed, i never had any issue with it on my PS3. That content played every bit as good as the main Oblivion content did for me; from the the initial experience there(visual eye-candy i still find impressive to this day) to the heavy duty fights against tons of enemies onscreen at once later on.

Just wondering out loud i guess.

[Project]

It is so we can keep all the discussion to one thread and save a multitude of separate ones being made. As an aside, these threads are used by the same few people, the number of threads made so far is not indicative of the amount of dissatisfaction, they are a place for the vocal few to hang out.

Uhm, as others have pointed out - many unhappy users are not logging into BS forums to voice complaints. And there are lots who have already given up - or were forced to leave - and (probably) the vast majority of customers don't even know this place exists.

So I guess you're right; the number of threads isn't indicative of the amount of dissatisfaction. The number of threads wholly underestimates the level of dissatisfaction.

Thread 18 had 8 members making half the posts and this has happened in a similar way through most of the previous threads. Don't get me wrong, I do sympathise with the lack of release of DG for the PS3, it would be nice if the users of that console could also enjoy, what I found to be, an excellent DLC, all I was pointing out was that because there was 20 threads of 200+ posts it does not reflect that number of unhappy members.

There have been lots more than just 8 members through these threads. Sure there are going to be some regulars but a good number have just been passing through also. I really think this kind of statement is just inflammatory.

However guys, let's not go discussing how many upset fans there are, let's stick with hoping that BGS will solve the PS3 problems and release it and that we get some further (good) news soon.

I think this is one of the most pertinent and on-topic ideas I have seen here many days. We all recursively speculate about engine problems, the motivations of the company etc etc ...

BUT - If you could quantify the number of disgruntled users then this provides a financially centered argument for BGS to actually do something for the of PS3 customers.

now for what I'd still like to see if we could pluck things from DG:

But if it doesn't what are the top 5 features you would want imported from it in a Patch or a "Free" DLC or in a special bundle with the PS3 port of the Hearthfire DLC?

• The "Face Sculptor" in the Ragged Flagon
  
• Dragon Bone Crafted Weapons
  
• Arrow (and Bolt) Crafting
  
• Alchemy expansion
  
• ???

I really can't say I care much for the whole vampire thing. Honestly if Skyrim on PS3 had been a good experience from 11.11.11 I'd have bought the DLC w/o really caring about it. Things as they are all I really wanted was a chance to change one toon's haircut.

[trisha punch]

I have registered just to reply to this message, as it is a total fallacy. The fact you've had 200+ comments in 20 threads does show there are significant problems with how Bethesda has handled DG on the PS3 and the ill feeling within the community. If there wasn't a problem then people would not feel there is a need to make such a long thread in the first place. I feel this comment is very belittling to those peoples concerns and complaints. I also dont see such problems on other developers message boards.

Remeber this is a thread soley regarding dawnguard, and that is an awful lot of pepople who have taken the time to log on to their computer, register at your site and leave a message. For each person who goes through all this effort (cause you know i'm lazy) to register their dissapointment there are another 5 who don't bother to go through the effort. I know as I was one of them till today.

If you wanna go counting unhappy PS3 users (like their some sort of commodity) then you should also count the number of people who complained about the game crippling lag which was experienced. I think thats the thing that gets me most, Bethesda knowingly sold a game that did not work. If I didn't have an internet connection then I would not be able to play this game. Thats pretty terrible and, in my eyes atleast, criminal.

I think its time Bethesda just got honest with the PS3 users. They should acknowledge their mistakes in a statement and if people want it then refunds should be offered. Like I said, if I didn't have an internet connection I would not be able to play this game fully.

I really hope you sort this all out as you seem pretty good at making games, but, for what its worth (which I guess is not much) I will never buy another Bethesda product. Please make sure you add +1 to your little list of unhappy PS3 users.

Welcome to the forums. Good post. You make a good point about people who don't have an internet connection. Perhaps Bethesda should have put on the back of the box "Internet connection recommended for downloading patches to make the game work" I am being sarcastic of course. But I do feel for those who don't have internet, or a reliable enough connection to download fixes. While quite a few games have patches that fix problems, Bethesda had to use them to actually make the game playable for some on the ps3. Unfortunately some of the patches also create new bugs.

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wow this is still going ? i've not been on for a while cause i've given up on dawnguard , its a shame cause i love skyrim even with all the glitches and bugs its had and still has now. If they release it or not i'm not bothered now i'm busy playing dragon's dogma and preordering borderlands 2 with a free dlc

[Charles Mckinna]

I'm guessing maybe a halloween release? cause of the vampires? If i remember Infamous FOB came out last year a day or so b4 halloween, but i'm not bothered so hopefully everyone else will get it soon.

[FoReVeR_Me_N]

*snip*
now for what I'd still like to see if we could pluck things from DG:

• The "Face Sculptor" in the Ragged Flagon
  
• Dragon Bone Crafted Weapons
  
• Arrow (and Bolt) Crafting
  
• Alchemy expansion
  
• ???

I really can't say I care much for the whole vampire thing. Honestly if Skyrim on PS3 had been a good experience from 11.11.11 I'd have bought the DLC w/o really caring about it. Things as they are all I really wanted was a chance to change one toon's haircut.

Considering I spent almost zero time as either a Werewolf or a "Vanilla" Vampire in Skyrim proper, I see what you mean, but I can imagine trying it would be fun for RP purposes. One "practical" application would be encumbrance, when overburdened you can change to Werewolf or Vamp Lord form then run or fast travel outside of whatever dungeon/cave/barrow you crawled out of. Though the skeletal horse summon is probably easier to acquire for the purposes of hauling loot.

As for the face change thing, I'm almost flabbergasted that feature was never included in the vanilla version. What I would really like, however is an NPC (or set of NPCs) that can change your gender and/or race!

[Danny Warner]

Considering I spent almost zero time as either a Werewolf or a "Vanilla" Vampire in Skyrim proper, I see what you mean, but I can imagine trying it would be fun for RP purposes. One "practical" application would be encumbrance, when overburdened you can change to Werewolf or Vamp Lord form then run or fast travel outside of whatever dungeon/cave/barrow you crawled out of. Though the skeletal horse summon is probably easier to acquire for the purposes of hauling loot.

As for the face change thing, I'm almost flabbergasted that feature was never included in the vanilla version. What I would really like, however is an NPC (or set of NPCs) that can change your gender and/or race!

How could a Khajiit become a Nord? What would the explanation be?