[Markie Mark]

Ok, Here's my opinion.
I have no clue about there other games other then fallout3 and new vegas(did not like them) but this games DLC has been delayed for months now right? Why care anymore? Put it out of your minds, move on and do other things. (Font change)
Im pretty sure everyone here has more then just skyrim under there gaming belt and complaining solves nothing at all and if it does not get released then stop buying there games, its as simple as that. i for one dont care anymore. I waited the first month with nothing so i chose to ignore it.

[Tom Flanagan]

I would very much like to see them bring dawngaurd to the ps3 due to all the features it has, I would offer the suggestion of bringing the content despite the buggyness as an open beta for the ps3, After all this worked extermely well with Minecraft, and seeing how skyrim references that game (or maybe an apology to the lawsuit they tried to have with Mojang) with the Notched Pickaxe that could been seen just as another reference to the Minecraft game.

The only problem I've ever had with skyrim was the random freezeing and once i turn off autosaving every time i open my inventory and such it cut that out completely and skyrim has since ran very smooth on my 1st gen ps3, Also when I read that the reason for the delayed release for this dlc is due to not every save game running smoothly during it, this reminds me of another dlc issue with another Bethesda game; Fallout New Vegas. There was an abandon BOS bunker that became a location for some dlc, and when making a char not every save file would let you into the bunker. It would say Needs a key or something similar to that and there existed no key to use, I don't know if they ever fixed that issue but I would created my guy, run all the way to the dlc to make sure it would let me in, then reload an autosave and play the game like normal, so provided the some similar issue is also with dawnguard, I would just level up sneak to 100 before i escaped the castle in the begining (takes less then 15 mins.) to make sure i reached level 10 and then do dawngaurd to see if it would run smoothly. But thats just me.

I'll be getting skyrim on pc anyway just so I can mod it, every mistake Bethesda makes is just something I learn not to do when I release my game.

[Mizz.Jayy]

so dishonered is out, and apparently ps3 sales arent so good , how long intill beth tells us ps3 is not getting dlc or any more patches.?

I didn't get Dishonored on PS3, because I couldn't afford it.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but some people, like me, probubly just can't afford it.

[Lawrence Armijo]

They won't give us a update, they seem to be trying to use dishonored as a shield. Hoping that we forget about the dlc issue with that put.

Edit - I chose not to buy dishonored at all, I was really looking forward to it and thought, what if it gets the same treatment as skyrim? So na I pre ordered ac3 instead.
If ps3 don't get the dlc's, I'll honestly never buy another Beth game again.

[suzan]

They won't give us a update, they seem to be trying to use dishonored as a shield. Hoping that we forget about the dlc issue with that put.

Edit - I chose not to buy dishonored at all, I was really looking forward to it and thought, what if it gets the same treatment as skyrim? So na I pre ordered ac3 instead.
If ps3 don't get the dlc's, I'll honestly never buy another Beth game again.

Have you been reading? bethesda are not the developers of Dishonored, there name is just on it.

[Dan Stevens]

Look I just want to play the DLC if its not coming out for PS3 let us know. I do have the ability to play it on PC if I want, but I don't think I should have to buy the game again, then buy both DLC's.

[BaNK.RoLL]

Look I just want to play the DLC if its not coming out for PS3 let us know. I do have the ability to play it on PC if I want, but I don't think I should have to buy the game again, then buy both DLC's.

If you want the DLC, then you will be buying the game twice and then pay for both DLCs.
I don't think the DLC is coming, but if it is, according to Bethesda's track record it will make Skyrim completely unplayable.
Bethesda is done on the PS3, unless they can get another company to program for them like Obsidian, Id, or Arkane. Of course, Rage, and from what I've heard, Dishonored are short repetitive games that really aren't worth the $60 they cost. I actually played Rage, and have never been so disappointed in a game, especially the ending.

[KU Fint]

Ok, Here's my opinion.
I have no clue about there other games other then fallout3 and new vegas(did not like them) but this games DLC has been delayed for months now right? Why care anymore? Put it out of your minds, move on and do other things. (Font change)
Im pretty sure everyone here has more then just skyrim under there gaming belt and complaining solves nothing at all and if it does not get released then stop buying there games, its as simple as that. i for one dont care anymore. I waited the first month with nothing so i chose to ignore it.

Fair enough.

Just was to throw out, complaining not only makes you feel better, but in this venue of an electronic message board leaves a record that Bethesda will be forced to note the size of at least once. Even if all that is done is the posts get blown out and Bethesda never does a thing to make the situation right. My friend, it is better to have spoken up and been ultimately ignored, than to have never said anything at all.

Have you been reading? bethesda are not the developers of Dishonored, there name is just on it.

Actually you should brush up a bit on the reading yourself i think.

http://www.zenimax.com/profile.htm

That link will take you to the Zenimax company profile page. Now while Arkane is another division, one separate from Bethesda, they are still under the same Zenimax umbrella. So while we outside that business arrangement don't know the exact how's and what for's, its a very safe assumption that even if it is only on the grounds of publishing the game for Arkane, Bethesda is going to get a nice little sum for the effort.

And who knows? Maybe Zenimax having Bethesda publish Dishonored is their way of recouping some of the projected loses from the lack of DLC that the PS3 version of Skyrim will never see? Pure speculation of course, this bit about recouped losses, just something i been wondering about.

[Alexxxxxx]

Have you been reading? bethesda are not the developers of Dishonored, there name is just on it.

They may not be the devs of dishonored, but they will get a percentage of all profit. There for, they are not getting a cent from me.

[Ash]

I'm honestly surprised that there hasn't been that much talk about Skyrim on Hines' Twitter feed the past few days. I'd expect him to bury most of it under Dishonored posts anyway, but there's hardly been any at all.

Anywho, I'm expecting to hear them announce that they won't be supporting the PS3 anymore within the coming week. I honestly don't see any DLC coming our way, and I suspect that they've been holding off on announcing this until Dishonored accumulates some sales figures for them to examine. If Dishonored pulled in high numbers (which it doesn't sound like at the moment), they might decide to keep trying to work things out to make the company look better. But since it doesn't seem like they did a great sales, I think the number crunchers at Zenimax/Bethesda will decide that the potential losses for discontinuing support on the PS3 (including patches as well as DLC) aren't big enough to really worry about, and so they'll let us all know they're done trying.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but I don't think I will be at this point. At least not in a positive way. They may put off the announcement for a while, maybe even past November or even December, just to not harm their holiday sales, but I think eventually they're going to tell us that they're done with us.

[mimi_lys]

Fair enough.

Just was to throw out, complaining not only makes you feel better, but in this venue of an electronic message board leaves a record that Bethesda will be forced to note the size of at least once. Even if all that is done is the posts get blown out and Bethesda never does a thing to make the situation right. My friend, it is better to have spoken up and been ultimately ignored, than to have never said anything at all.


Actually you should brush up a bit on the reading yourself i think.

http://www.zenimax.com/profile.htm

That link will take you to the Zenimax company profile page. Now while Arkane is another division, one separate from Bethesda, they are still under the same Zenimax umbrella. So while we outside that business arrangement don't know the exact how's and what for's, its a very safe assumption that even if it is only on the grounds of publishing the game for Arkane, Bethesda is going to get a nice little sum for the effort.

And who knows? Maybe Zenimax having Bethesda publish Dishonored is their way of recouping some of the projected loses from the lack of DLC that the PS3 version of Skyrim will never see? Pure speculation of course, this bit about recouped losses, just something i been wondering about.

Cut the narcissism. Your money is important to Bethesda, but it's nowhere near that important
Bethesda signed the contract to produce Dishonored LONG before Skyrim was released. Saying that Dishonored is supposed to make up for lack of DLC sales of a totally different game is totally ridiculous

[TOYA toys]

Cut the narcissism. Your money is important to Bethesda, but it's nowhere near that important
Bethesda signed the contract to produce Dishonored LONG before Skyrim was released. Saying that Dishonored is supposed to make up for lack of DLC sales of a totally different game is totally ridiculous

Narcissism? Sorry if that's what you got out of my musing there. But i did say it was pure speculation and nowhere did i say it would be all of the lost potential DLC sales(because really, even if only 50% of PS3 Skyrim customers were to buy Dawnguard and Hearthfire this sec, that would be ~$50 million. And i really doubt Bethesda is getting that much for publishing Dishonored).

[Curveballs On Phoenix]

Narcissism? Sorry if that's what you got out of my musing there. But i did say it was pure speculation and nowhere did i say it would be all of the lost potential DLC sales(because really, even if only 50% of PS3 Skyrim customers were to buy Dawnguard and Hearthfire this sec&--#60;and i don't think that is a bad estimate even after everything&--#62;, that would be ~$50 million. And i really doubt Bethesda is getting that much for publishing Dishonored).

Look it up on google. You'd be surprised how much Publishers get paid for selling games.
And that IS a bad estimate, because there's going to be a very large chunk of that $50 million gone to various expenses

I called it Narcissism because you basically stated that your business was so vital to Bethesda, they published a completely separate game to try to recoup their losses from not being able to sell DLC for PS3(Which I STILL think is a load of crap coming from the doomsayer part of the population that starts assuming the worst possible conclusion. Honestly, it's a bit ridiculous watching how people act. Granted, I am a PC player, but I in no way approve of the disaster Skyrim has been on then PS3). That's placing more than a bit too much importance on yourself

[Roddy]

1)Look it up on google. You'd be surprised how much Publishers get paid for selling games.
And that IS a bad estimate, because there's going to be a very large chunk of that $50 million gone to various expenses

2)I called it Narcissism because you basically stated that your business was so vital to Bethesda, they published a completely separate game to try to recoup their losses from not being able to sell DLC for PS3(Which I STILL think is a load of crap coming from the doomsayer part of the population that starts assuming the worst possible conclusion. Honestly, it's a bit ridiculous watching how people act. Granted, I am a PC player, but I in no way approve of the disaster Skyrim has been on then PS3). That's placing more than a bit too much importance on yourself

@1- Good enough. What would your estimate be then?

@2- I guess i could buy the narcissism bit if i was talking about just me, but that's just not the case. Again, sorry you took it that way.

As to recouping losses, please go back and read my post-the initial one you responded to.

And who knows? Maybe Zenimax having Bethesda publish Dishonored is their way of recouping some of the projected loses from the lack of DLC that the PS3 version of Skyrim will never see? Pure speculation of course, this bit about recouped losses, just something i been wondering about.

That's what i wrote word for word at the end. No edits. though i did highlight the parts you seem to not be getting. Here they are listed below without the need to deal with context

* Arkane is a smaller developer, or they would have just published Dishonored themselves.
* Zenimax has Bethesda(One of Arkane's sister companies) publish the game since they are bigger.
* 'Some' means just what it means...some. Not all, just some.
* 'Pure speculation' means just my guess, not necessarily the way things are.

Hope that cleared my post up a bit. If not, all i can say is sorry.

I do have one question for you however: What part of this fiasco warrants more than, how did you put it, "a load of crap coming from the doomsayer part of the population that starts assuming the worst possible conclusion"? Assuming of course the worse possible outcome is no DLC making it to the PS3 version of Skyrim-which we have been parked next to for quite a while now based on the tiny bit of information we have been given from Bethesda's various and sundry mouthpieces.

[Emma Louise Adams]

Ok, Here's my opinion.
Put it out of your minds, move on and do other things. (Font change)
Im pretty sure everyone here has more then just skyrim under there gaming belt and complaining solves nothing at all and if it does not get released then stop buying there games, its as simple as that. i for one dont care anymore. I waited the first month with nothing so i chose to ignore it.

I'm with you. I played around 80 hrs of Skyrim, loved it to bits, quoted it several times as "OMG Its the best game ever man!"; but I got to admit when I saw how the DLC was XBOX timed exclusive I knew then we wouldn't be getting it at all. I mean think about it - if M$ have paid them a load of cash to frig over us PS3'ers, why are they gonna dedicate any more resource to us? They probably got I dunno lets say 100 people working on XBox DLC, and the PS3 team is one kid on work experience, whom the XBOX devs don't even invite out for lunch.

So yeah, it p1ssed me off at first - then I moved on. Guild Wars 2 currently compensating nicely!

[Janine Rose]

Yup. This is the beginning of what Bethesda always does when it comes to broken PS3 titles. They did it with Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout: New Vegas.
They get more quiet about bug fixes and updates, but still string us along until a new shiny game comes out. Then, it's absolute silence.
Right now, we are in the end of the "stringing." Dishonored came out, new and kind of shiny, but made by Arkane.
The day the new Fallout title is released to the public, not even the game, just the title, is the day that the Skyrim issues on the PS3 will be completely ignored.
The forums will still be in an uproar and people will still be angry about dropping at least $60, if not over $100 on a broken game, but they won't get anything.
Gstaff may make an appearance a few weeks to a month after the new Fallout comes out just to say all of the developers and programmers have moved on, so no, Skyrim will not get any more patches or fixes on the PS3 console.
Mark my words...When the next Fallout title hits the main blog Skyrim on the PS3 will be done and left in a broken state.
My hope is that this time, the PS3 community does not fall for the new shiny game, and ignores Bethesda just like they have ignored us.
They only way it will be over is if we refuse to buy the new game. Then, one of two things will happen. Bethesda will actually spend some time and resources on the PS3, and learn to program for it (not likely). Or, they will abandon the PS3 all together (very likely). I think it will be option two since they are most of the way there anyway.

[Manuela Ribeiro Pereira]

I would honestly be happy if Bethesda abandoned the PS3.

Not just Bethesda, but all of Zenimax. The only company I like that is part of Zenimax is id. The only reason I do is because my uncle worked there for many years (and is how I got into FPS games, because I was able to play Doom before the public did)

[cheryl wright]

@1- Good enough. What would your estimate be then?

@2- I guess i could buy the narcissism bit if i was talking about just me, but that's just not the case. Again, sorry you took it that way.

As to recouping losses, please go back and read my post-the initial one you responded to.




That's what i wrote word for word at the end. No edits. though i did highlight the parts you seem to not be getting. Here they are listed below without the need to deal with context

* Arkane is a smaller developer, or they would have just published Dishonored themselves.
* Zenimax has Bethesda(One of Arkane's sister companies) publish the game since they are bigger.
* 'Some' means just what it means...some. Not all, just some.
* 'Pure speculation' means just my guess, not necessarily the way things are.

Hope that cleared my post up a bit. If not, all i can say is sorry.

I do have one question for you however: What part of this fiasco warrants more than, how did you put it, "a load of crap coming from the doomsayer part of the population that starts assuming the worst possible conclusion"? Assuming of course the worse possible outcome is no DLC making it to the PS3 version of Skyrim-which we have been parked next to for quite a while now based on the tiny bit of information we have been given from Bethesda's various and sundry mouthpieces.

I had this nice big post typed up, but then my computer deleted it
1. Basically, if you look http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2011/04/29/how-your-60-video-game-is-chopped-up/, you can see roughly how a game's cost is broken down. Based on those statistics, Bethesda softworks(the publishing group) would get 30%, or about $15 million in gross profit. Bethesda game studios gets 15%, which is about 7.5 million. Finally, the marketing team(which is one of the two "bethesda" companies) gets another 7.5 million. Therefore, at most the two bethesda groups would see $30 million gross profit. Then there's all the malarkey involving Zenimax, since they own them both.

2. I get that you're just speculating. Thing is, people have a bad tendency to believe speculation as truth and pass it on as such.

From what I remember of their description of their progress(from http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/05/bethesda-skyrim-ps3-dlc-problems-on-us-to-solve), it sounds like they've got it almost stable enough for release, but there's still a bit too much risk of failure. Remember that they've also got another DLC in the works, so whatever coders are trying to fix Dawnguard are also needed to work on this new DLC. Depending on how they prioritize or split the workload, they could easily end up delaying one or the other because they need to work on both. Theyh've only got so many employees.

Thing is, this is the FIRST DLC. There's been nothing but speculation that there's not going to be anything released ever, but we've still got at least one more coming up, quite possibly two or three. It's a bit ridiculous in my opinion to say there's never going to be anything when there's been no clear statement about how much progress has been made on anything. Though that could be them covering their butts trying to avoid getting burned.

Besides, there is the interesting fact that the PS3(like everything else on this console generation) is running low on time anyway before new consoles are released.

On a different(and last) note, it makes more sense to make a fix for Dawnguard than release a new game and drop the console completely. If they don't release any DLC on the PS3, they stand to take an even bigger hit to their reputation and lose far more than what they make with Dishonored

[sophie]

Skyrim DLC is never coming to the PS3 for a very simple reason = no one is dumb enough to pay for it.

[claire ley]

Skyrim DLC is never coming to the PS3 for a very simple reason = no one is dumb enough to pay for it.

Consumers buying the product, or developers paying their employees to make it?

[Jessica Nash]

It svcks that nobody gives a reason why it has not been released by now. it is like it has disappered into a oblivion gate .....

[Vickey Martinez]

Last I saw, it was because they were having resource problems on the PS3. I mean, that system only has 256MB of RAM among the other aging parts.

[patricia kris]

Fair enough.

Just was to throw out, complaining not only makes you feel better, but in this venue of an electronic message board leaves a record that Bethesda will be forced to note the size of at least once. Even if all that is done is the posts get blown out and Bethesda never does a thing to make the situation right. My friend, it is better to have spoken up and been ultimately ignored, than to have never said anything at all.


Actually you should brush up a bit on the reading yourself i think.



That link will take you to the Zenimax company profile page. Now while Arkane is another division, one separate from Bethesda, they are still under the same Zenimax umbrella. So while we outside that business arrangement don't know the exact how's and what for's, its a very safe assumption that even if it is only on the grounds of publishing the game for Arkane, Bethesda is going to get a nice little sum for the effort.

And who knows? Maybe Zenimax having Bethesda publish Dishonored is their way of recouping some of the projected loses from the lack of DLC that the PS3 version of Skyrim will never see? Pure speculation of course, this bit about recouped losses, just something i been wondering about.

Ok I see what your getting at there, and looks like your right I need to look into things better. Thank you for the correction.

[Suzie Dalziel]

Last I saw, it was because they were having resource problems on the PS3. I mean, that system only has 256MB of RAM among the other aging parts.

But again, there were problems with just the base game.

It shouldn't have even been released if this were the case lol.

[Kyra]

Limited RAM is something to consider before you release a game which craters to http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-ps3-skyrim-lag.